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by Ithisa
04 Jun 2017 20:06
Forum: Teach & Share
Topic: Curiosities from the languages of Italy
Replies: 15
Views: 11769

Re: Curiosities from the languages of Italy

Not surprising that the Urheimat of Romance languages have the most interesting diversity of them :)
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 18:55
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

"I force-feed fish" would be "1-ERG fish-ERG eat", with a pro-dropped thing that's getting eaten. That bit is problematic, usually in ergative langs the absolutive NP is mandatory, or at least more mandatory than the ergative one. I would expect that to be able to express “I force-feed fish”, you’d...
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 17:59
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Frislander wrote:the causer need not be the same as the person actually eating the fish.
Indeed, it seems like I missed that fact. It does seem that the causative is a lot more general than "agent".
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 17:11
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Generally speaking ergative and passive sentences look more or less the same, the only exception being that a passive would be clearly a derived structure while an ergative sentence is an underlying structure (hence passives being marked with some form of construction). In most ergative languages, ...
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 15:53
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

Adding a causer/agent to a passive verb is usually just called 'reintroducing the agent' and the result is sometimes 'agentive passive'. Agent Patient Verb <- Active voice Agent Patient Verb-Passive <-Passive voice Patient Verb-Passive Agent-OBL <-Agentive Passive construction If you used a causati...
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 15:30
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Re: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives

My point with causatives is that "to be eaten" / "to eat" can be reanalyzed as "is eaten" / "cause to be eaten"; so removing an ergative from a transitive sentence to express the passive can be reanalyzed as adding an ergative to *any* intransitive sentence to express the causative.
by Ithisa
01 Jun 2017 04:32
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?
Replies: 18
Views: 3426

Interaction between ergativity, pro-drop, and causatives?

This question is really about whether a feature in a conlang I'm making is realistic or not, so sorry if it belongs more in the conlangs board. But it is also about how real-life languages with ergative-absolutive alignment work, and it seems like the conlangs board is just about showing off conlang...
by Ithisa
24 Apr 2015 02:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Proto-Avestan
Replies: 6
Views: 2573

Re: Proto-Avestan

by Ithisa
23 Apr 2015 21:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Yay or Nay?
Replies: 2098
Views: 293447

Re: Yay or Nay?

Mawacin doesn't have tense. Should it have an aorist aspect to denote the aspect in English "He walks across the building"? Does syncreting this into the gnomic (which applies to sentences like "I love you" and "the Earth is big") make any sense, or would doing so be relexing English?
by Ithisa
23 Apr 2015 21:35
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What's your favourite word in your conlang?
Replies: 8
Views: 9614

Re: What's your favourite word in your conlang?

In Mawacin it's probably ėšıš [jeʃɨʃ] is walking. I dunno, it just sounds like walking.