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by Zythros Jubi
28 Jan 2020 15:07
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I wonder whether Proto-Turkic suffix had variant forms: for locative and ablative, it's *-tA and *-tAn after n/l/r and *-dA and *-dAn otherwise (how about after voiceless consonants)? Likewise, past tense suffix *-dI- was *-tI- after n/l/r, but again, what was the case after voiceless consonants?
by Zythros Jubi
23 Jan 2020 17:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Actually, Dybo noted that even some root beginning with *u was changed to va-, and speculated a Danube Bulgar origin. I suppose this can be accounted for by dialectal differences.
by Zythros Jubi
23 Jan 2020 07:42
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 8
Views: 301

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

By the way, have you obtained a Chamic lexicon? Just a wordlisit and reconstruction by Graham Thurgood. Actually p>f k,g>x d>r kh,gh>k are inspired by Malagasy (the last rule apply to Sanskrit loanwords). For details, see Malay and Javanese Loanwords in Malagasy, Tagalog and Siraya (Formosa) by K. ...
by Zythros Jubi
23 Jan 2020 07:31
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I've tried to learn some Hungarian on Duolingo, but have almost forgotten. I have to use Google Translate. As for the diphthongization, the result is probably a merger of *oo and *aa plus *öö and *ee is expected except initially, where *o becomes *va and *ö becomes *ve (the same for long counterpart...
by Zythros Jubi
22 Jan 2020 17:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

On the problem of lenition/spirantization of final k, the book (about Hungarian sound changes) explained it as a postpositional vowel *u/ü after the stem, i.e. *seregü > sereg, *d’ürük > gyürű (how come the g is preserved in the former case?). Something similar had happened in Mongolian/Mongolic, e....
by Zythros Jubi
22 Jan 2020 14:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 639

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

I suggest hod and hax for 7 and 8 respectively.

PS: please have a look at this post viewtopic.php?f=31&p=298157#p298157, I'm seeking for advice
by Zythros Jubi
22 Jan 2020 14:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Cardinal Ordinal (*-m-či) Distributional & Times (every X; <Oghuz) Fractional Collective (*-isi) 1 bir alomoč biryšer / (back formation or ordinal variant) biryš 2 jýk teverymyč jykyšer žárom (half) jykyš 3 öč öčömöč öčöšer öčöm öčöš 4 tövert tövertymyč tövertyšer tövertym tövertyš 5 býl býlymyč býl...
by Zythros Jubi
22 Jan 2020 14:25
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

*c > š (as evidenced by Magy. sátor) *-t- stays so (look at the previous word) *lc > lč or č (Magy. gyümölcs) (č would also retain its affricativity in the clusters nč, rč. This may be a dialectal difference, since there are words beginning from s- and cs- both descended from *č-; in clusters it oc...
by Zythros Jubi
22 Jan 2020 02:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

I mainly copied sound changes in Turkic loanwords in Hungarian, and some characteristics of Chuvash. Palatalization of t and d seem to be late, and was in progress in Volga Bulgar, and I assumed a change due to contact with Eastern Romance.
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 19:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 639

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

Well, what religion do you think is the majority among the Khotanese, perhaps Ismaili like in RTL Pamir, or some syncretic religion like Druze and Yazidi?
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 14:56
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Main vowel changes from Proto-Turkic to Old Danube Bulgar (or rather Daco-Bulgaric, DB): 1. Lowering of high short vowels: PT *i *u *ü *ï> *e *o *ø *ə (while PT *e *o *ö *a > DB *ɛ *ɔ *œ *ɑ) 2. Diphthongization of mid long rounded vowels: PT *ō *ȫ > *o(w)aː *ø(w)ɛː 3. Diphthongization of initial mid...
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 09:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 639

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

In this alternate timeline, what is the political scenario like in this language's area of distribution? I assume nothing much changes; perhaps one more autonomous region in China. One thing I don't understand is the different usage between New Persian and Chagatai languages in Transoxiana. In Trans...
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 07:57
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 8
Views: 301

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

Stress usually lies in penultimate syllable; when the main syllable is open or used to end with a glottal stop, the accent lies in the last syllable, and is marked by an acute accent in Romanization.
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 07:52
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 8
Views: 301

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

Vowel changes:
*-i- > -e-
*-u- > -o-
*-əy > -ai
*-əw > -au
*-a- > -a-
*-a > -a
*-aː- > *-uə- > -u-
*-ay > -e
*-aw > -o
*-uy > -oi

*ia > ia
*-i > -i
*ua > ua
*-iəw > -iu
*-iaw > -io
*-uəy > -ui
*-uay > -ue
*ɛ > ia
*ə > *ɨ > i
*ɔ -ɔː- > ua
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 07:47
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging
Replies: 8
Views: 301

Re: Ideas for African Chamic conlanging

Some preliminary sound changes from Proto-Chamic: Pre-consonants: *p- > p- *t- > t- *c- > c- *k- > k- *s- > s- *h- > 0- *b- > b- *d- > d- *j- > z- *g- > g- *m- > m- *ñ- > n- *l- > l- *r- > r- Onsets: *p > f *t > t *c > ts *k > x *ʔ > 0 *s > s *h > h *b > v *d > r *j > z *g > x *m > m *n > n *ñ > ɲ *...
by Zythros Jubi
21 Jan 2020 07:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

You can write whatever sound change you desire here, @dva_arla.
by Zythros Jubi
20 Jan 2020 13:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

These sound changes are a bit outdated. As for vowel shifts, I mainly draw inspiration from Dybo's reconstruction of sound changes in late Bulgaric borrowing in Hungarian (and Slavic languages).
by Zythros Jubi
17 Jan 2020 17:19
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Tuva also has initial d.

As for the collablang thing, I've figured out most of phonology and sound changes; choice of vocabulary is difficult for me, so it's welcome for y'all to give some advice.

I wonder which points in sound change @dva_arla thinks unsuitable/unrealistic.
by Zythros Jubi
17 Jan 2020 09:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

but there's the "problem" that not even most of the natlangs that have had extensive contact with Persian have adopted that vowel weirdness (even with Uzbek it's kind of debatable), so for a conlang to have it the requirement would be INTENSE contact with Persian. Uzbek got its weird vowel system f...
by Zythros Jubi
17 Jan 2020 04:52
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 91
Views: 1550

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Is there a Proto-Turkic š? There are only *l2č and *l2 in Starostin's system. As for *ð > l I just want a bit of distinctiveness, after all. The d > r in Volga Bulgar is late and it is unknown whether it happened in Khazar.