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by dva_arla
22 Jan 2020 13:58
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 602

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

Starting off with the numbers -- probably among the most semantically-stable of the lexicon. 1 şo 2 do 3 dre (dialectal dray / drey) 4 tso 5 badz 6 čha / čhe? (ʈʂʰa / ʈʂʰe) 7 ho / hod? 8 haʂ / aʂ / aχ 9 no 10 das ۱ شو ۲ دو ۳ دری ۴ څو ۵ بذ ۶ څه / څی ۷ هو / هود؟ ۸ اښت / اخت / اخ ۹ نو ۱۰ دس I'm still u...
by dva_arla
22 Jan 2020 04:46
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

This book explains very completely Hungarian phonological and morphological history: https://btk.ppke.hu/uploads/articles/4090/file/gerstner_karoly-fejezetek_a_magyar_nyelv_tortenetebol.pdf You might especially want to give its phonological history, specifically those that occurred after the settlem...
by dva_arla
22 Jan 2020 04:27
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Conlanging in media
Replies: 1
Views: 3657

Re: Conlanging in media

The Painted Bird (Nabarvené Ptáče) uses Interslavic (Medžuslovianski), a Pan-Slavic auxlang.

https://youtu.be/cH5YKki0KBs
by dva_arla
22 Jan 2020 04:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

*c also occured from palatalisation in Oghur loanwords in Hungarian; compare Magy. tyúk ( < *tiukug?) < PT *tiakïgu with Chuvash чăх. I would also suggest palatalisation triggered by final i (and its loss afterwards), e.g. *yėti > Esk. d'et' (apostrophes indicate palatalisation). Just to summarise a...
by dva_arla
22 Jan 2020 00:34
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 602

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

Zythros Jubi wrote:
21 Jan 2020 19:03
Well, what religion do you think is the majority among the Khotanese, perhaps Ismaili like in RTL Pamir, or some syncretic religion like Druze and Yazidi?
Perhaps an even mixture of Muslims and Buddhists, with some of the "syncretics" you just mentioned.
by dva_arla
21 Jan 2020 16:56
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Eskêl would've come from an "Old Pannonian Bulgar" or a "Central Danube language", not Daco-Bulgaric. Bear in mind that the Bulgar dialects spoken in Pannonia and Bulgaria would later (9 c.?) show some divergence, such as the merging of a~o and sr > str, both due to South Slavic influence. I'm going...
by dva_arla
21 Jan 2020 16:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)
Replies: 13
Views: 602

Re: Modern Khotanese -- "reviving" an extinct Eastern Iranian language (advice needed)

In this alternate timeline, what is the political scenario like in this language's area of distribution? I assume nothing much changes; perhaps one more autonomous region in China. I've been toying for a while with alt-history scenarios involving an independent East Turkestan, actually. With a revo...
by dva_arla
20 Jan 2020 06:05
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

One option would be to have an alternative Cyrillic orthography for one that doesn't normally use it, or you could just transcribe natlangs that don't normally use Cyrillic in Cyrillic, which will often also be a fun exercise in that it allows you to think about different possible conventions. For ...
by dva_arla
17 Jan 2020 06:38
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Huh, this is the first time I'm hearing about Proto-Turkic not having had a distinction between /t k/ and /d g/. I mean, I've heard about it having had a distinction of aspiration or fortis/lenis or whatever rather than voicing, but not having a distinction at all? [:O] PT did have /g/ and /d/... o...
by dva_arla
16 Jan 2020 18:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

There seems to be a distinction between t-/d- and k-/g- in Oghuz languages (uncertain for Old/Orkhon Turkic; Old Oghuz Turkic are seldom attested?), and k-/g- distinction can account for the initial x-/k- opposition found in Tuva (x- can also occur before front vowels). The oldest attested Turkic l...
by dva_arla
16 Jan 2020 13:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Then I just started making conlangs using the Cyrillic script, which is the method I'd suggest for learning any new writing system: learn the "standard" values of letters (as in, <п б т д к г> and <گ ك د ت ب پ> are usually something like /p b t d k g/, etc.) and start using them in a conlang or two...
by dva_arla
16 Jan 2020 10:42
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

You might find this database extremely helpful. It list Proto-Turkic words and roots, along with outcomes in daughter languages, and complete with etymological notes.

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/query. ... g&morpho=0
by dva_arla
16 Jan 2020 09:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

BTW, in Dybo's paper there is a Hungarian word tor < *dod-, which she identified as the only instance of PT *d > r, but can be explained by dissimilation: I doubt that Proto-Turkic had initial d- and g-; the phonemes occurring in said position are likely to be a product of Oghuz innovation. whether...
by dva_arla
15 Jan 2020 15:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The Preslav stele seems to belong to an 'older' Bulgar dialect (dated 7-9 c. by Mudrak due to the phonetic devolpment sr>str); this is shown by the lack of middle-vowel-breaking in the title "zopan" which we have seen earlier. zit kon ićirğon bule kumči kɨpe 455 tulči 540 estroğin kɨpe 427 tulči 854...
by dva_arla
15 Jan 2020 09:05
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

How much can you understand a text in Acehnese, Javanese, Balinese and so on? In precisely the order you mentioned, and awful poorly for the three of them. Malay (any variety), Betawi-nese, and to some extant the Minangkabau language would be more intelligible to a monolingual Indonesian speaker. B...
by dva_arla
14 Jan 2020 20:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

The problem is always vocabulary... nothing sticks, except useless words that are literally never used. My problem is with the Cyrillic alphabet... I can read a paragraph of Finnish, Hawai'ian, Polish, or Basque; I can look and skim at a paragraph and the letters would easily form words and come in...
by dva_arla
14 Jan 2020 14:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

Vlürch wrote:
14 Jan 2020 06:22
it's that one famous rare kanji?
Ah yes, the Three Dragons on a cloudy day. A Japanese work-of-art indeed.

By the way, do you know Russian? On the Kazakh thread you were citing an article in Russian, if I am not mistaken.
by dva_arla
14 Jan 2020 09:21
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: How would you romanize Kazakh?
Replies: 26
Views: 8311

Re: How would you romanize Kazakh?

Chagatai, anybody? Барлық адамдар тумысынан* азат және қадір-қасиеті мен кұқықтары тең болып дүниеге келеді. Адамдарға ақыл-парасат**, ар-ождан берілген, сондықтан олар бір-бірімен туыстық, бауырмалдық*** қарым-қатынас**** жасаулары тиіс. بارلق آدملر توعُمسنن* آزاد جنه قادرــــــخاصيتی من حقوقلری تڭ...
by dva_arla
13 Jan 2020 20:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

As for the conditional suffix in Chuvash -Ătt-, where does it come from? Levitskaya claims it is related to Com. Turkic -r-di. Which would imply the sound-change -rd- > -dd-; any examples from other words/forms? Besides, do you have any idea about the modal and evidentiality system? I'd suggest sca...
by dva_arla
13 Jan 2020 20:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad
Replies: 86
Views: 1372

Re: Eskêl (Carpathian Bulgar) Scratchpad

As for the conditional suffix in Chuvash -Ătt-, where does it come from? Levitskaya claims it is related to Com. Turkic -r-di. Which would imply the sound-change -rd- > -dd-; any examples from other words/forms? Besides, do you have any idea about the modal and evidentiality system? I'd suggest sca...