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by Nortaneous
12 Nov 2019 19:55
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2794
Views: 706953

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I'm not sure about this, but I seem to remember that no languages distinguishing a front and a central /a/ is precisely the reason why no separate symbols for the two exist in IPA. However, a language that does distinguish them may have been discovered since the invention of the IPA. The Hamont dia...
by Nortaneous
27 Oct 2019 23:41
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 7788

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Solarius wrote:
22 Oct 2019 21:49
IIRC there's a Qiangic language which recently underwent monosyllabicization, but in such a way that the permitted clusters were identical in onset and coda--i.e. [ClaCl] was valid but [ClalC] wasn't.
Ronghong Qiang, described in LaPolla's grammar
by Nortaneous
22 Oct 2019 15:42
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 7788

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Allowing /s/ + stop clusters to begin a syllable is actually one of Indo-European peculiarities , since these clusters also go against the sonority hierarchy. In that context Western Romance languages which put a vowel before these clusters are actually making things more normal! It's not that weir...
by Nortaneous
16 Sep 2019 06:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5829
Views: 1385998

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Vlürch wrote:
14 Sep 2019 21:57
The links could be marked with "nostalgia warning (or cringe warning if you're a totes no homo bro)",
Dir en Grey isn't that gay - look up Daigo Stardust
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 20:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 267
Views: 19016

Re: Romanization game #2

Speaking of which, part 2: /p t k m n j l w h a i u e o d t͡ʃʼ ʙ ŋʘ↑ʼ k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ gǂ͡˞χˀ ᶣɞ̂ˑ ʬᴙ!!/ Let's keep it simple and assign sounds to letters in alphabetical order: <a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v>. So a hypothetical example sentence /ŋʘ↑ʼuk͡ʟ̝̊ːʷaʙi gǂ͡˞χˀaʬᴙ!!o pi t͡ʃʼehiŋʘ↑ʼu/ ...
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 08:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5829
Views: 1385998

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

the only language I know of with *tʰ > r̥ is Nivkh, and Nivkh doesn't object at all to /r̥/ in clusters
by Nortaneous
24 Aug 2019 08:44
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Romanization game #2
Replies: 267
Views: 19016

Re: Romanization game #2

ɶʙ ɞʛ wrote:
24 Aug 2019 01:24
Is an /ħ/ vs /ʜ/ distinction even attested?
yes, in Aghul and (according to PHOIBLE) Bats
by Nortaneous
16 Aug 2019 06:14
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 689
Views: 184825

Re: False cognates

:eng: quick Old Chinese 霍 /*qʰʷaːɡ/ - quickly, suddenly Maybe it's a bit of a stretch, but they do have similar meanings and velars and uvulars aren't that different. Also, even though I don't know of one, I wouldn't be too surprised if there was some English dialect where "quick" is pronounced [kw...
by Nortaneous
16 Aug 2019 06:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5829
Views: 1385998

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is there a way to get [fˠ → ʍ], with [ʍ] being a true fricative? Woleaian had *f *pʷ > f ɸʷ (and Proto-Micronesian *f patterned as palatalized - cf. *f > ɦʲ in Marshallese), and Irish Gaelic has vʲ/w - so yes, you can just do that Does any natlang feature (a set of) preglottalized (voiceless) nasal...
by Nortaneous
14 Aug 2019 21:27
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 7788

Re: Languages with interesting phonotactics

Wutung allows initial clusters up to CCCC, but these are highly constrained. The only attested CC clusters are: /hb hd hdʒ hl hm hn hɲ hw/ /ʔb ʔd ʔdʒ ʔl ʔm ʔw/ /pl bl fl ml/ The only attested CCC clusters are /hɲdʒ/, /hmb/, /ʔbl/, and /ʔml/, and the only attested CCCC cluster is /hmbl/. Wutung also ...
by Nortaneous
14 Aug 2019 20:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5829
Views: 1385998

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is [e, i, o, ø, ɶ, ɔ, ɯ] or [a~æ, ɑ, e, o, ø, u, y] the more natural inventory? i ɯ e ø o ɶ ɔ y u e ø o æ ɑ neither - almost all languages have /a/ and either /i/ or (in the case of VVSes) a high vowel unmarked for [+/-front]. /y/ necessarily implies /i/, and /ɶ/ is an artifact of the IPA trying to...
by Nortaneous
13 Aug 2019 00:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5829
Views: 1385998

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

sangi39 wrote:
12 Aug 2019 22:06
Apparently, though, Ossetian hasn't really picked up much in Caucasian-esque morphology (neither has Armenian really IIRC).
But they're much more agglutinative (vs. fusional) than most of IE.
by Nortaneous
29 Jul 2019 00:11
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: False cognates
Replies: 689
Views: 184825

Re: False cognates

In wordlists of North Bougainville languages, "boat" is almost always given as boato . Most words were given in the "definite" (it's not actually a definite, but 1950s missionaries were bad at naming things -- words can take the "definite" and the "indefinite" at the same time! unfortunately, they w...
by Nortaneous
12 Jul 2019 21:24
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4415
Views: 921588

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Has anyone else ever noticed how, when a person reaches the age of, oh, let’s say “67” just to pick a random number, they’ll know every word of the sentence they’re about to say when they start saying it, but by the time they get to the end of the sentence they can no longer quite recall the last w...
by Nortaneous
12 Jul 2019 18:45
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 6652
Views: 1059960

Re: What did you accomplish today?

cognates miʔ - miʔ ɒʔ - eʔ pʰɯm - pkæ̤m tʰɯj - dak ɯj - ak ɓɯj - pik tʰwil - duːl sɒʔ - ɲsaʔ ʄim - kĩːm jɤh - ɲãn ɓɒ - peː ɗɯɲ - tiŋ ɗɤp - tba lɯm - tma̤ lɯh - ta̤ tʰɒ - nẽː tʰæn - nŋ̊æ̤n tʰæ - nẽw tʰok - tɓa̤w ɠɤɬ - pɲiː ɠwi - muwa̤ mɒl - mɨ̃n̥ ʄwɤ - mˀŋna̤ ɬæh - ɲkiː jɯ - akæw ɠɒŋ - ʔŋˀæ ɓjɤ - lmˀ...
by Nortaneous
07 Jul 2019 04:00
Forum: Translations
Topic: He is...
Replies: 79
Views: 23860

Re: He is...

What: Syxas ik ñê maña. [sʔɐs ɪk ɲeː mɐˈɲɐ] COP.GNO 3SG=ACC POSS fishing_net He is a fisherman. The What "gnomic copula" is unusual in occurring sentence-initially and taking accusative marking. This is because it is descended from an imperative form. An overly literal translation would be "behold h...
by Nortaneous
30 Apr 2019 06:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlang Conversation Thread
Replies: 3594
Views: 933118

Re: Conlang Conversation Thread

SkyFry wrote:
28 Apr 2019 21:27
Nortaneous wrote:
28 Apr 2019 19:22
Biskyt ntoxmyxiahbm phûryn xei, ngykra pujîu typiôhk oman tia.
I like biscuits, but I don't eat bread anymore...
Nachki vhren?
Gluten allergy?
Sygiah, xên tunguau pha xyngxia iññan-nhauh, gai nû kâbyk tia ñanhynua.
No, I just don't want to get fat, so I don't eat carbs.
by Nortaneous
28 Apr 2019 19:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlang Conversation Thread
Replies: 3594
Views: 933118

Re: Conlang Conversation Thread

Biskyt ntoxmyxiahbm phûryn xei, ngykra pujîu typiôhk oman tia.
I like biscuits, but I don't eat bread anymore...
by Nortaneous
18 Mar 2019 12:09
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: "Japonic-North-West-Caucasian" Phonology
Replies: 11
Views: 686

Re: "Japonic-North-West-Caucasian" Phonology

In the one language with a vertical vowel system where we can apply reconstruction to get to a stage where it didn't exist yet (Marshallese), feature transfer from vowels to consonants, while present, didn't play that much of a role -- it split *l *n into three consonants and generated the rounding ...
by Nortaneous
07 Mar 2019 08:58
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: What did you accomplish today?
Replies: 6652
Views: 1059960

Re: What did you accomplish today?

... Vtsznxmqye Pvpchqpye Zzxzzyx. /úsə̂ɴmāɴjə̄ pùtjwàjə̄ dzə̂nî/ Is Mxyzptlk a common name in your conculture? That isn't a possible word. Mx has to be one syllable (/mu31/), so the next syllable has to be either yz or yzp (/jə33/ or /jə11/) - but this would have to be a dialectal form, since the s...