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by Omzinesý
29 Jul 2019 20:32
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Languages with interesting phonotactics
Replies: 23
Views: 8223

Languages with interesting phonotactics

Which languages' phonotactics do you consider interesting or exceptional? Or which phonotactic features in some language do you consider interesting or exceptional? I think most phonotactics of conlangs are very similar. So give us examples of different phonotactics in natlangs, so we can take new i...
by Omzinesý
29 Jul 2019 11:36
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

A new attempt on adpositions Adpositional phrases can appear as 1) preposition noun+NOM, 2) noun+GEN postposition, or 3) preposition noun+NOM postposition. 1) preposition noun+NOM Location prepositions Is 'at' Aj 'from' Ha 'to' Ran 'through' Prepositions of location are usually used in generic conte...
by Omzinesý
28 Jul 2019 02:28
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Different Way of Doing Adpositions - help request
Replies: 24
Views: 7751

Re: Different Way of Doing Adpositions - help request

Finnish (1) Menin talo-on sisään. I.went house-ILL in(to) (2) Menin talo-n sisään. I.went house.GEN in(to) Both mean 'I went into the house.' (1) has an adverb "sisään" that kind of codes the same info as the illative form of the noun. (2) has a postposition "sisään" that governs the genitive. I do...
by Omzinesý
27 Jul 2019 15:30
Forum: Beginners' Corner
Topic: Different Way of Doing Adpositions - help request
Replies: 24
Views: 7751

Re: Different Way of Doing Adpositions - help request

This is not quite a comment on the discussion but fits the title. I've been reading about the difference between adpositions and adverbs. Finnish (1) Menin talo-on sisään. I.went house-ILL in(to) (2) Menin talo-n sisään. I.went house.GEN in(to) Both mean 'I went into the house.' (1) has an adverb "s...
by Omzinesý
25 Jul 2019 01:29
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 720515

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Phoneme inventory p t c k f θ ç x m n s ɕ l r j ɰ w i ɨ u e ə o ä Phonotactics (C)V(glide[+/- nasal]) or (C)l/r So there aren't real coda consonants but r/l can appear as distinct syllables in the position. Vowels can be followed by a glide that is either nasalized or not. Stress This is a pitch acc...
by Omzinesý
23 Jul 2019 22:05
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

Adpositions There are three forms of each adposition. That nicely combines Finnic/Saami inflecting postpositions/positional nouns and Germanic monosyllabic prepositions. Either can be used. Prepositions appear with Nominative case of their head and postpositions appear with Genitive-Dative of their...
by Omzinesý
23 Jul 2019 18:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

Pronouns Ven [ve:n] 'I' Tuo [tuo] 'you' Y [y:] 'he/she/it' Ött [øt:] 'it' - refers to clauses Plurals are regular -zi Venzi [venzi] 'we' also Swedish vi [vi:] is used. Tuozi [tuozi] 'you' Yzi [y:zi] 'they' They also have dative forms Vej Tuoj Yj [y:j] Ötti Vezij Tuozij Yzij There are no specific obj...
by Omzinesý
23 Jul 2019 17:24
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

While I killed the infinitive, the concept of finiteness is also blurred. (1) and (2) only differ in that (2) has an own subject while the subject of "ot" is coreferential with that of "ejr" in (1). (1) Ven ejr fi ot suhk. SG1 want COMPLZR go home 'I want to go home.' (2) Ven ejr fi tuo ot suhk. SG1...
by Omzinesý
23 Jul 2019 00:43
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

I'll change the infinitive. It will be just "fi" + the present, like in English. Fi ot 'to go' The history of the future marker will also be changed. Earlier it was "furr ota" 'must go.INF' > 'will go' (which is very common in the Baltic region) and later also morphological bleaching to "fot". But t...
by Omzinesý
23 Jul 2019 00:17
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

An etymological dictionary Bibel 'book', loan Bil 'car', loan from Swedish Cheff 'boss', through Swedish from French Jo 'to have, to be there' < *jau, native word Ejr 'to want', native word fi "complementizer: that, to', < *fi Furr 'to have to' < *furr, native word gi [ʝɪ] "indefinite article" 'a', ...
by Omzinesý
22 Jul 2019 13:49
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Grammatical Sketch for Classical Sitr
Replies: 13
Views: 1571

Re: Grammatical Sketch for Classical Sitr

Progressive The aux verb yaa , which literally means "be", is used to form sentential negations. The main verb negated is in the adverbial form. For example: - maninchi panin thakna yaa - boy-ERG girl.ABS.SG look-ADV be-PRES.3.SG.NOM - the boy is looking at the girl It's apparently about progressiv...
by Omzinesý
21 Jul 2019 11:03
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

The first sentence. Ven törve bibel-zi. SG1 read.PRS book-PL.INDEF.NOM 'I read books.' "Ven" [ve:n] is the "long form" of the pronoun. After the verb it appears in the clitic form "vo". The present form of verbs has no marked inflection. Verbs ending in a vowel usually end in /e/. bibel 'book' of co...
by Omzinesý
21 Jul 2019 10:49
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: What have you been reading lately? (non-linguistic ed.)
Replies: 51
Views: 21016

Re: What have you been reading lately? (non-linguistic ed.)

I read China Mieville's Embassy Town. The book basically handles how different the language of another conscious species can be. Would you recommend it? I have read two other books of his, "Perdido Street Station" and "The City & The City", and both were quite good. I also gave his short stories as...
by Omzinesý
20 Jul 2019 11:40
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

Nouns - their morphology comes quite direcly from my earlier project: https://cbb.aveneca.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6988 The following example have the Swedish way to read vowel letters: <å> [o] <o> [u .] <ö> [ø] There are tree cases: Direct or simply Nominative -∅ Genitive-Dative -j (after vowels), -...
by Omzinesý
20 Jul 2019 11:12
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

Pitch accents There are two word accents, which identical to those of Swedish. 1. The high pitch appears on one syllable only, that I call the stressed one. (Stress usually also realizes in syllable length so that stressed syllables either have a coda consonant or a long vowel, excluding the phoneme...
by Omzinesý
20 Jul 2019 10:41
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5970
Views: 1414337

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Currently, Sjialɱa [çi̥ˈɔ̥ᵝŋ̊.m̪̊ɔ̥ᵝ] fixes stress to a word's penult mora. Can a pitch accent system coexist with that? I don't see why it couldn't, and AFAIK it does in (at least some of) the Yugoslavic languages? Moraic languages can well have pitch accent. Take Japanese as an example. What does...
by Omzinesý
19 Jul 2019 23:02
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5970
Views: 1414337

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Currently, Sjialɱa [çi̥ˈɔ̥ᵝŋ̊.m̪̊ɔ̥ᵝ] fixes stress to a word's penult mora. Can a pitch accent system coexist with that? I don't see why it couldn't, and AFAIK it does in (at least some of) the Yugoslavic languages? Moraic languages can well have pitch accent. Take Japanese as an example. What does...
by Omzinesý
19 Jul 2019 20:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

Verb morphology Nouns follow quite much my earlier project, so I describe verbs first. Basics: - 3 synthetic tensis (present, past, future), 2 periphrastic tenses (perfect, pluperfect) - morpholocally 1 mood - Indicative and Imperative are differentiated syntactically and past and pluperfect forms ...
by Omzinesý
18 Jul 2019 15:56
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4492
Views: 939699

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Are there other natlangs that have different forms of adjectives depending on whether they're used attributively or predicatively? I'm sure I know examples, I just can't think of any right now. Are they always a few irregular forms (like English my vs. mine and lone vs. alone) or are there any lang...
by Omzinesý
18 Jul 2019 01:14
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden
Replies: 21
Views: 2049

Re: Gadish - a isolate in Northern Sweden

There aren't really adjectives but genitives of abstract nouns. Varra-j zie property-GEN person 'rich person' The indefinite genitive is nearly exclusively devoted to the adjectival function. Ozza-zi Peter friend-PL.GEN Peter 'Peter who has friends ' One cannot either say "I am rich" but "I have pro...