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by Omzinesý
26 Jan 2019 11:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Kôren language
Replies: 57
Views: 6053

Re: Kôren language

Nouns Noun pattern Noun stems are usually of the pattern CVCV or CVCCV. The last vowel is usually -a, -i, and -ô/o can be used for "normal nouns" without any own special meaning. -u rarely derives nouns because it's the stative suffix Diminutive -i Replacing the last vowel with -i, the word often b...
by Omzinesý
26 Jan 2019 10:28
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Lkal sik
Replies: 13
Views: 1543

Re: Lkal sik

OK, seems that I at least need to grab Lambrecht and finally read it cover to cover. And if I don't find anything terribly useful, there's always the chance in conlanging to have a go at experimental typology and try to figure out yourself what sort of things work out better than others. How do you...
by Omzinesý
25 Jan 2019 15:47
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Kôren language
Replies: 57
Views: 6053

Re: Kôren language

Verbs Diathesis Diathesis mean more or less the same as voice, trigger or orientation. Voice being a bit different a thing, trigger being so much related to Autronesian languages, and orientation usually used of participles and nominalizations, I prefer the general term diathesis, which can mean al...
by Omzinesý
25 Jan 2019 15:36
Forum: Translations
Topic: The Cat and the Fish.
Replies: 61
Views: 10711

Re: The Cat and the Fish.

Kôren https://cbb.aveneca.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6012 Abu neva. there.is cat.INDEF There was a cat. Ao itu gesu. 3 be.white be.small She was small and white. Les nola<o>p, sylu oosku. when wakeup<PAT> behungry very When she woke up, she was very hungry! So she went looking for some food. She looked...
by Omzinesý
24 Jan 2019 19:36
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Lkal sik
Replies: 13
Views: 1543

Re: Lkal sik

Givón has said something on the grammaticalization from topic to subject (and vice versa?). At least, Lambrecht is against him. But their notes are quite generic typological ones, I guess. I once half read an interesting article on word order in Filastenian Arabic. But I cannot recommend anything sp...
by Omzinesý
24 Jan 2019 17:18
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

On consonant gradation It's questionable if Proto-Finnic had consonant gradation. My opinion is that it did somewhat but consonant gradations of different Finnic languages differ. Livonian and Veps have very little of it, while Estonian has very much. Usually the "basic" consonant gradation is thoug...
by Omzinesý
24 Jan 2019 16:34
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

Consonants p, t̪, k ʔ b, d̪, g m n t͡s t͡ʂ t͡ɕ s ʂ ɕ x r l ʟ (ⱱ, ɾ maybe) v j Proto-Finnic had (maybe?) p t k (and their weak allophones as voiced fricatives) m n t͡s s h r l v j Many of the consonants could be geminated. 1) The inventory of affricates and sibilants is created from tj, tw, kj, kw, s...
by Omzinesý
24 Jan 2019 16:20
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

A new paradigm of a noun Some changes have already appeared šari 'island' singular NOMINATIVE: šari ACCUSATIVE: šare GENITIVE: šare DATIVE: šari-n LOCATIVE: šare-s ABLATIVE: šare-st APPROXIMATIVE: šare-mbas TERMINATIVE: šar-riq ESSIVE: šar-ra (< saar-na) TRANSLATIVE: šar-ra-q COMITATIVE: šare-lin-na...
by Omzinesý
23 Jan 2019 20:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

On vowels Proto-Finnic had (maybe?) the following vowels: *y, *i, *u *e, *o *æ, *ɑ *y:, *i:, *u: *ø:, *e:, *o: *æ:, *ɑ: 1. Short /*y/ merges with /*i/ 2. If back-vowels follow, /*e/ is backed, creating /ɤ/, it later rises (in most environments) to mid-high (merked ɪ̈ here). 3. Long /*y:/ dipthongize...
by Omzinesý
23 Jan 2019 19:28
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

- Lack of partitive singular, partitive plural develops to an indefinite plural absolutive Do you have anything more ready on this subject? It sounds like it could be interesting. Is the partitive plural supposed to be in contrast with the definite nominative/accusative plural or do you have a more...
by Omzinesý
22 Jan 2019 20:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Kôren language
Replies: 57
Views: 6053

Re: Kôren language

From the translation thread: https://cbb.aveneca.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1700 Ao tel: "Pesa sep ene sinema." 3 say<AG> pl1 go<AG> now cinema They said: "We are going to the cinema." Ao tel gi tet sep ene sinema. 3 say<AG> NOMZR REFL go<AG> now cinema They said that they were going to the cinema. Fac...
by Omzinesý
21 Jan 2019 20:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

Something on verbs:

'to bear'
sg1 kanda
sg2 kandad
sg3 kandu (kanda-u < kanda-vi)
pl1 kandam
pl2 kandat
pl3 kandud (< kanda-ut < kanda-va-t)

'to become, to arrive'
sg1 sa
sg2 sad
sg3 sab (< saa-pi)
pl1 sam
pl2 sat
pl3 sab
by Omzinesý
17 Jan 2019 10:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Arasi
Replies: 2
Views: 186

Re: Arasi

Where do the morphemes derive from?
by Omzinesý
16 Jan 2019 21:10
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6876
Views: 805970

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

shimobaatar wrote:
16 Jan 2019 19:24
Oh, I probably should have guessed that.

In any case, /w/ could cause labialization.
And what could it end up to?
My quick look at Index Diachronica, only gave some labialized affricates as starting points.
by Omzinesý
16 Jan 2019 21:08
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Re: Miršian - a Finnic conlang

A attempt to make a paradigm of nominal inflection 'Fish' is always the best example word. singular NOMINATIVE: kal ~ kalõ (< kala, word-final /a/ reduces) ACCUSATIVE: kala (< kalan, word-internal /a/ doesn't reduce) GENITIVE: kala (< kalan, word-internal /a/ doesn't reduce) DATIVE: kalen (< kalēn <...
by Omzinesý
16 Jan 2019 19:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Miršian - a Finnic conlang
Replies: 11
Views: 450

Miršian - a Finnic conlang

Miršian - ethnonym miršiõ or miršia ćeli - is one of my Uralic projects. It is a Uralic language of the Finnic branch, where it more resembles the Southern languages, Estonian and Livonian. It's a minority language spoken somewhere in the Baltic countries or East from there. Some features: Phonologi...
by Omzinesý
16 Jan 2019 18:19
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 14513
Views: 1197508

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Do any Inuit languages allow coda consonants other than stops? some dialects have turned the stop codas into nasals, but i don't think there exists a dialect where the two coexist. Not true - Kalaallisut has some cases of final /n/, Iñupiat allows both final stops and nasals, and other dialects als...
by Omzinesý
16 Jan 2019 18:18
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6876
Views: 805970

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

/j/ between a consonant and a vowel often make the consonant become nalsaised or affricated. In what language does /j/ trigger nasalization? Lol I have used wrong terms, I see. /j/ between a consonant and a vowel often make the consonant become palatalized or affricated. Does /w/ in the same positi...
by Omzinesý
15 Jan 2019 21:44
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 6876
Views: 805970

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

/j/ between a consonant and a vowel often make the consonant become nalsaisedpalatalised or affricated.
Does /w/ in the same position cause consonant changes in some language? And what are the results?
by Omzinesý
14 Jan 2019 20:39
Forum: Translations
Topic: The gods didn't create us....
Replies: 12
Views: 300

Re: The gods didn't create us....

Koren Ol Nebsa rok ses<e>k Pesa. NEG god.DEF PERF create<AG> we.all 'It was not the gad(s) who created us. [Ao] n<e>b Pesa tetu. [3] tell.<AG> we.all self 'They told to us themselves.' Ses<e>k-i-r Pesa, usiu el ao, ru eksa, ru gosi-g Naksa-o. create<AG>-NMLZ-POSS we.all, be.old than 3, COP power.IND...