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by Porphyrogenitos
14 Mar 2018 04:56
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Can languages diachronically "jump" between modalities?
Replies: 2
Views: 1633

Can languages diachronically "jump" between modalities?

This is a topic I've had an ongoing curiosity about, ever since I read this article by Luke Fleming which suggests that Damin, the ritual register of Lardil known for being the only language variety outside Africa with phonemic clicks, originated as a sign language which evolved into a spoken langua...
by Porphyrogenitos
14 Mar 2018 04:43
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Will Indo-Aryan no longer be an accepted term in Linguistics?
Replies: 15
Views: 8778

Re: Will Indo-Aryan no longer be an accepted term in Linguistics?

I always thought "Indic" was a catch-all term for all languages of South Asia, in particular casting Indo-Aryan and Dravidian as a historically and culturally intertwined whole. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen it used that way. And I thought the point of the term "Indo-Aryan" was that it didn't r...
by Porphyrogenitos
14 Mar 2018 03:48
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Initials: /m n/ m n /p t t͜ʃ k/ p t ch k /b d d͜ʒ g/ b d j g /f s ʃ h/ f s sh h /w z j/ w z y /l/ l Rimes: /ij ih in iŋ/ [iː ɪ(h) ɪn ɪŋ] ii ih in ing /ej eh en eŋ/ [ei̯ ɛ(h) ɛn ɛŋ] ei eh en eng /aj aw ah an aŋ/ [ai̯ au̯ a(h) an aŋ] ai au ah an ang /oj ow oh on oŋ/ [oi̯ ou̯ ɒ(h) ɒn ɒŋ] oi ou oh on on...
by Porphyrogenitos
10 Mar 2018 22:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I find this wonderful. PLEASE make this into something. Thanks! I wanted it to be a kind of thing where you couldn't know whether the labialized consonants were phonemic, or the rounded-unrounded vowel contrast was phonemic. Although I realized I forgot to include a series of syllables with no init...
by Porphyrogenitos
10 Mar 2018 06:01
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

It's...really weird, but I could scrounge up at least tenuous precedents for all of its gaps/outliers from various languages around the world. It actually seems a bit Iroquoian.
by Porphyrogenitos
10 Mar 2018 01:40
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A language with the following permissible syllables: mi mʷy mɨ mʷu me mʷø mə mʷo mæ mʷɒ ni nʷy nɨ nʷu ne nʷø nə nʷo næ nʷɒ pi pʷy pɨ pʷu pe pʷø pə pʷo pæ pʷɒ ti tʷy tɨ tʷu te tʷø tə tʷo tæ tʷɒ ki kʷy kɨ kʷu ke kʷø kə kʷo kæ kʷɒ βʷy βʷu βʷø βʷo βʷɒ si sʷy sɨ sʷu se sʷø sə sʷo sæ sʷɒ hi hɨ he hə hæ ɾi...
by Porphyrogenitos
01 Mar 2018 00:37
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Many conlangers who try to include clicks in their conlangs end up including a series of plain/tenuis click that looks like this: /ʘ ǀ ǂ ǃ ǁ/ There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but in terms of naturalism, every language that features clicks makes use (sometimes exceedingly generous use) of ...
by Porphyrogenitos
27 Feb 2018 08:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

DesEsseintes wrote:
27 Feb 2018 07:40
Start off with /a e i o u/ and harmony between /e i/ and /o u/, then e u → ə ɨ.

And yes, it feels good.
Thanks - and that makes sense, though is e > ə so common? I guess something sort of similar happens with the NCVS.
by Porphyrogenitos
27 Feb 2018 07:10
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A vowel harmony idea I just came up with. Plausible? Not sure. It seems intuitive.

harmony class I: /i ə/
harmony class II: /ɨ o/
neutral: /a/
by Porphyrogenitos
30 Jan 2018 07:49
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: A Curious Kind of English
Replies: 7
Views: 5884

Re: A Curious Kind of English

All of those look very similar to the spelling reforms proposed by various authorities (and endorsed by some people, such as Theodore Roosevelt) in the US in the mid-to-late 19th and early 20th centuries. Spellings like thru now used only in abbreviations and advertisements are oftentimes remnants o...
by Porphyrogenitos
25 Jan 2018 07:34
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5963
Views: 1411330

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I’m trying to reverse-engineer a situation where some suffixes give roots initial stress and others shift the stress to the right. Like say you have a root kawm , and the suffix -ta produces káwmta , but the suffix -su produces kawmsú . I know that if I initially have a regular stress assignment rul...
by Porphyrogenitos
25 Jan 2018 03:57
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 22
Views: 7373

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

A different, more elaborated version of the same ablaut idea: In the initial stage the vowels are simply /i a u/, no length distinction. Syllables can have coda /j w h/; there are probably other coda consonants, but I am only addressing those three here. /h/ is the counterpart of /a/. Roots commonly...
by Porphyrogenitos
24 Jan 2018 01:22
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 22
Views: 7373

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

An idea for some ablaut-ish alternations I came up with: (acute indicates stress)

kávdi / kudí < káwdi / kawdí

séfki / sukí < séwki / sewkí

táʃpu / tipú < tájpu / tajpú

múʒne / miné < mújne / mujné

And maybe:

kómpta / kũtá < kómta / komtá

sílma / somá < sílma / silmá
by Porphyrogenitos
17 Jan 2018 06:13
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia
Replies: 22
Views: 7373

Re: Porphyrogenitos' scratchpad and intermittent glossolalia

I made this today. Might edit or expand: ken /kɛn/ “he/she/it runs” kene /kɛnə/ “running/a run” kêne /kinə/ “I run” kînen /kinən/ “you (sg) run” hit /hɪt/ “he/she/it falls” hize /hɪtsə/ “falling/a fall” hîte /hitə/ “I fall” hîten /hitən/ “you (sg) fall” sob /sɔb/ “he/she/it breathes” sobe /sɔbə/ “br...
by Porphyrogenitos
04 Jan 2018 17:00
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

I get p > /N_ but why would /g/ get devoiced? It doesn't make much sense unless there is some context to this I'm missing. The second rule is also a bit weird. It's probably g p > ɣ ɸ > h h, right? I guess it makes sense in a minimalist phonology with few fricatives. But I'm still a bit iffy about ...
by Porphyrogenitos
04 Jan 2018 07:21
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Small sound shift idea:

g p > k b /N_
g p > h h

Optionally:
r w > g b
by Porphyrogenitos
02 Jan 2018 19:38
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 5963
Views: 1411330

Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is it at all reasonable to have words contract in place names, when they otherwise wouldn't? Mostly to avoid place names becoming too lengthy. E.g. taisat - new phalas - river Taiphlas - (name of a place - 'New River') So there would be a closed set of abbreviated forms used only for compounding. T...
by Porphyrogenitos
23 Dec 2017 07:51
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A variation on a thing I've thought of before: /m n/ /p t k (ʔ)/ /s/ /ɾ l j w/ /a e i o u/ Syllable structure is (C(R))V(C). R represents the resonants /ɾ l j w/, which may follow a syllable-initial obstruent. Cross-syllabic sequences /j.j/ and /w.w/ are automatically reduced to /.j/ and /.w/ Coda n...
by Porphyrogenitos
17 Dec 2017 04:30
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Conlang I'm starting to make
Replies: 2
Views: 637

Re: Conlang I'm starting to make

I like that's there's /v/ without /f/. Looking forward to more.
by Porphyrogenitos
15 Dec 2017 06:30
Forum: Conlangs
Topic: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Replies: 2813
Views: 719161

Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

A historical thing I might use sometime: Word-final homorganic /NT/ and /ND/ clusters exist; there are allomorphic alternations between the two (e.g. klent / klend ), owing to the addition of a vocalic suffix that triggered voicing (or blocked word-final devoicing) and was later dropped. /mp nt ŋk/ ...