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by Xonen
01 Feb 2018 20:37
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: The worst sounding natlang ever
Replies: 30
Views: 31998

Re: The worst sounding natlang ever

Yeah, Mandarin has x, sh, zh, j, q, ch, all of them some kind of alveolo-palatal (or palato-alveolar) sound. According to Wikipedia at least, Mandarin <zh ch sh> are retroflex, but even if they are palato-alveolar, then that's still rather different from alveolo-palatal. And yes, the terminology is...
by Xonen
30 Jan 2018 21:04
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: The worst sounding natlang ever
Replies: 30
Views: 31998

Re: The worst sounding natlang ever

There's also something else I dont think a lot of other people notice ... I divide languages into "vowel-strong" and "consonant-strong", with some in the middle. Consonant-strong languages tend to have a lot of consonant clusters, and their vowels are affected by the consonants around them. Vowel-s...
by Xonen
29 Jan 2018 16:58
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Sprachbund Theory
Replies: 10
Views: 3306

Re: Sprachbund Theory

I took out Greenberg's Monograph on his proposed Eurasiatic family, and while I disagree with it, there are some coincidences that need explaining. Such as...? I mean, I don't doubt that there are some curious similarities between language families, but coincidences don't really need much explainin...
by Xonen
25 Jan 2018 23:36
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: The worst sounding natlang ever
Replies: 30
Views: 31998

Re: The worst sounding natlang ever

I don't like English despite it being my native lang, but I can't put a finger on why beyond it just being boring to me. That might be the exact reason. [;)] I think a lot of people feel that way about their native languages; I remember considering Finnish really basic and simple and being a bit en...
by Xonen
25 Jan 2018 22:58
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Metal Thread
Replies: 244
Views: 86222

Re: Metal Thread

And now we're apparently all two minutes  from being dead. :roll: Although I can't say I'm convinced; the possibility of a global war where superpowers could resort to nuclear weapons must have felt very real in the 1950's when exactly that had just happened (and the fact that nukes were rapidly esc...
by Xonen
14 Jan 2018 19:24
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Spanish Por Para issue. Help!
Replies: 10
Views: 2363

Re: Spanish Por Para issue. Help!

Oh, sorry, I meant 'syntactic' in a sense that included the syntax of bound morphemes - the sense in which case usage occurs in 'syntax' chapters, while 'morphology' chapters just have the, you know, mechanics of word alteration, as it were. The point is that the categories of syntactic function ar...
by Xonen
14 Jan 2018 18:34
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Linguistic pet peeves
Replies: 338
Views: 58751

Re: Linguistic pet peeves

The French "language", if it can be called that. It's just a string of uvular trills and nasalized front round vowels: Average French sentence in IPA: [ʀỹʀø̃ʀỹʀœ̃ỹʀʏ̃ʀœ̃] Er, I'm not a huge fan of the way French sounds myself, but... standard French doesn't actually have any of those sounds. :wat: ...
by Xonen
14 Jan 2018 03:25
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Linguistic pet peeves
Replies: 338
Views: 58751

Re: Linguistic pet peeves

The French "language", if it can be called that. It's just a string of uvular trills and nasalized front round vowels: Average French sentence in IPA: [ʀỹʀø̃ʀỹʀœ̃ỹʀʏ̃ʀœ̃] Er, I'm not a huge fan of the way French sounds myself, but... standard French doesn't actually have any of those sounds. :wat: ...
by Xonen
12 Jan 2018 17:27
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: Spanish Por Para issue. Help!
Replies: 10
Views: 2363

Re: Spanish Por Para issue. Help!

You are talking about the semantic role (function, whatever) of nouns. This is entirely different from case , which is a syntactic category. It's probably useful to say that case doesn't require morphology - that it may be indicated by word order, say I suppose that might make sense in some languag...
by Xonen
11 Jan 2018 16:15
Forum: Everything Else
Topic: Metal Thread
Replies: 244
Views: 86222

Re: Metal Thread

Aw hell, now Fast Eddie's dead. [:(] Turns out he was a pretty decent vocalist, too.
by Xonen
17 Dec 2017 17:21
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Is it not simpler to assume that me and my simply merged either in function or just pronunciation? This does seem simpler. But that doesn't fit because this merger of function isn't found anywhere else in the paradigm except in some varieties where "you" and "your" are both reduced to [jə]. And pho...
by Xonen
14 Dec 2017 01:59
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: How would you romanize Kazakh?
Replies: 26
Views: 8272

Re: How would you romanize Kazakh?

Аа > Aa Әә > Ää Бб > Bb Вв > Vv (or just merge with Ww) Гг > Gg Ғғ > Ğğ Дд > Dd Ее > YEye (word-initially and after vowels), Ee (elsewhere) Ёё > YOyo Жж > Jj Зз > Zz Ии > İYiy Йй > Yy Кк > Kk Ққ > Qq Лл > Ll Мм > Mm Нн > Nn Ңң > Ññ Оо > Oo Өө > Öö Пп > Pp Рр > Rr Сс > Ss Тт > Tt Уу > Ww Ұұ > Uu Үү ...
by Xonen
13 Dec 2017 11:02
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

The answer is probably really simple and obvious but I couldn't find anything. I have envisioned an "inverted Genitive" for Nakarian, and I am looking for a real-world equivalent. Basically, the idea is to not mark the possessor but the possessed object. It also changes the head of the phrase from ...
by Xonen
12 Dec 2017 15:20
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Now, perhaps this is to some degree a matter of taste, but having been originally introduced to linguistics by Tolkien and Zompist back when the internet was young, I can't help but feel that inconsistent use of diacritics when creating an orthography is, at best, a rookie mistake. I'd agree if it ...
by Xonen
11 Dec 2017 18:43
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Using <c> for /d͡ʒ/ makes sense Your face makes sense. since at least it doesn't leave <c> unused and makes a nice pair for <ç> /t͡ʃ/. Right, in the same way as <s> /ʒ/ makes a nice pair for <ş> /ʃ/... no, wait. Now, perhaps this is to some degree a matter of taste, but having been originally intro...
by Xonen
11 Dec 2017 12:44
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

shimobaatar wrote:
10 Dec 2017 19:49
In Turkish, /ʒ d͡ʒ/ are <j c>. From what I can tell, it sounds like Xonen was saying that they don't like that, and that they'd prefer it if it were /ʒ d͡ʒ/ <z̧ j>.

<ğ> is not /ʒ/. It's complicated.
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by Xonen
10 Dec 2017 19:31
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

I firmly believe that Turkish uses <z̧> for /ʒ/ and <j> for /dʒ/, since I refuse to participate in a reality where a major language gets away with using <c> for the latter. I believe you're thinking of <ğ>, not any form of <z> It seems your beliefs concerning my beliefs are about as well-founded as...
by Xonen
05 Dec 2017 02:08
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Well, you have auxillary inversion, but no object inversion in questions, does that count? I would do it. > Would I do it? I like beans. > *I beans like? Beans, I like. > *I beans like? I did think about this. One thing to consider is that the inversion is only between the subject and the auxiliary...
by Xonen
03 Dec 2017 23:35
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here
Replies: 4465
Views: 932000

Re: (L&N) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Well, you have auxillary inversion, but no object inversion in questions, does that count? I'm quite sure it does. There are also other tests for objecthood that the main verbs of auxiliaries seem to fail, such as passivization: I would be killed by him. * Killing me is would by him. Replacing the ...
by Xonen
18 Nov 2017 02:33
Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
Topic: English Orthography Reform
Replies: 384
Views: 151112

Re: How deranged is the English spelling system?

Merged the new thread with the existing one. The English spelling system is perfectly fine. Strange, yes, but perfectly fine. Well, I'd say "perfectly fine" is stretching it. It's not as bad as its detractors tend to make it out to be, but it is quite objectively harder to learn than it would strict...