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Post by this_is_an_account » 14 Aug 2018 21:22

Another question: Is there such a thing as a dualative (dualitive?) derivation? Like a collective, but instead of turning "a tree" into "a group of trees," it would turn it into "a pair of trees."

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Post by shimobaatar » 14 Aug 2018 21:58

Some languages have a dual number, but, in my experience, the dual typically refers to an inflectional category more akin to singular and plural than a derivational collective. However, that isn't to say that there aren't any languages with a derivational process turning "X" into "a pair of X(s)". I just can't think of any off the top of my head. Even if there aren't any, though, your idea doesn't sound unrealistic at all to me. [:)]

By the way, questions about languages would probably be better suited for this thread or this thread.

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this_is_an_account wrote:
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Another question: Is there such a thing as a dualative (dualitive?) derivation? Like a collective, but instead of turning "a tree" into "a group of trees," it would turn it into "a pair of trees."
There's a dual number in some languages which means "two of a thing". Proto-Indo-European had it, as do some of its descendants, but IIRC that's more inflectional than derivational (then again, so is the collective in some languages).
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Post by this_is_an_account » 14 Aug 2018 23:31

shimobaatar wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:58
By the way, questions about languages would probably be better suited for this thread or this thread.
Oops! I thought I was in the conlang section. My bad.

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Another question: Is there such a thing as a dualative (dualitive?) derivation? Like a collective, but instead of turning "a tree" into "a group of trees," it would turn it into "a pair of trees."
Just to give another answer. In Mee (Trans-New Guinea; Papua, Indonesia), you can suffix a reduced form -ija of the number two wija to a word, to mean something like 'a pair of X'. It is used for days and months as well as certain other more conrete things that appear in pairs.
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Post by this_is_an_account » 15 Aug 2018 02:54

Creyeditor wrote:
15 Aug 2018 00:28
this_is_an_account wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:22
Another question: Is there such a thing as a dualative (dualitive?) derivation? Like a collective, but instead of turning "a tree" into "a group of trees," it would turn it into "a pair of trees."
Just to give another answer. In Mee (Trans-New Guinea; Papua, Indonesia), you can suffix a reduced form -ija of the number two wija to a word, to mean something like 'a pair of X'. It is used for days and months as well as certain other more conrete things that appear in pairs.
Interesting. Does it have similar constructions with other numbers, or is this the only one?

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Post by Creyeditor » 15 Aug 2018 09:21

It has somethin similar with three, though the distribution is more limited.
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this_is_an_account wrote:
15 Aug 2018 02:54
Creyeditor wrote:
15 Aug 2018 00:28
this_is_an_account wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:22
Another question: Is there such a thing as a dualative (dualitive?) derivation? Like a collective, but instead of turning "a tree" into "a group of trees," it would turn it into "a pair of trees."
Just to give another answer. In Mee (Trans-New Guinea; Papua, Indonesia), you can suffix a reduced form -ija of the number two wija to a word, to mean something like 'a pair of X'. It is used for days and months as well as certain other more conrete things that appear in pairs.
Interesting. Does it have similar constructions with other numbers, or is this the only one?
Latin has forms for various numbers of years and days. They involve adding a number prefix to an irregular form of the root and changing the declension. So annus "year" becomes biennium "two years", triennium "three years" … millennium "one thousand years". Dies "day" becomes biduum "two days", triduum "three days" and so on.

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Post by Micamo » 15 Aug 2018 11:32

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I want to present a magic system I'm working on for a critique, but I'm concerned about people stealing my ideas.
A few points to consider:

1. No one cares. This is not meant to be an insult, but to say that folks are generally too wrapped up in their own projects and ideas to pay much attention to what other folks are doing, let alone go out of their way to "steal" an idea.

2. It's highly doubtful that your idea is so original that nothing like it has ever been done before. There are probably dozens of fantasy novels that have tried to do something similar to what you're doing. This isn't an insult either: The heart of a good fantasy story lies not in how original its concepts are. Once you realize that, you'll be free to focus on what really matters.

3. If you really, really don't want to expose your work to the public, you can PM me if you like and I'll give my comments there.
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Post by elemtilas » 15 Aug 2018 13:56

LinguoFranco wrote:
06 Aug 2018 04:53
I want to present a magic system I'm working on for a critique, but I'm concerned about people stealing my ideas.
Looks like you're in a bit of a pickle! You want a critique of something, but it seems you don't want the critique bad enough to post here on account of trade secrets being stolen.

Your concern is 100% legitimate. If your idea is good, it is certainly "borrow" worthy! Even if it's just someone here who likes some motif and fits it into their own work.

All I can say is if you want the critique bad enough, you'll suck up your concerns and post enough of your idea to give a good critique, or send it privately to a couple different folks. I'm happy to take a look at it privately if you like.
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Post by Axiem » 15 Aug 2018 23:07

My personal experience is that ideas are a dime a dozen; what really matters is execution. And two people will often take the same core idea and run in two very different ways with it.

I'd say posting your ideas for critique—especially of world aspects or magic systems—you have very little to worry about.

(Posting actual prose, however, does run the risk of plagiarism, or running afoul of publishers. That's a very different thing)

But, that's my two cents. You're free to post or not post stuff as you please. 🤷🏼‍♀️
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Post by hoeroathlo » 21 Sep 2018 05:42

does this make any sense at all? its really late and i'm half asleep making up stuff, and to me it does
/pt̪u/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθʷ/ --> /ɸʷ/ --> /ɸ/

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Post by shimobaatar » 21 Sep 2018 06:00

hoeroathlo wrote:
21 Sep 2018 05:42
does this make any sense at all? its really late and i'm half asleep making up stuff, and to me it does
/pt̪u/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθʷ/ --> /ɸʷ/ --> /ɸ/
This is the thread for quick questions about conworlds and concultures, so this would probably be a better question for the equivalent thread about conlangs.

That aside, the lenition of a stop next to another stop seems fine to me, as does the labialization (although I don't know how likely /u/ would be to drop if this were a monosyllabic word). The loss of labialization on a labial consonant is also nothing weird. The only part that I'm really unsure about is /pθʷ/ > /ɸʷ/.

Perhaps someone else could weigh in on that?

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Post by Salmoneus » 21 Sep 2018 12:23

shimobaatar wrote:
21 Sep 2018 06:00
hoeroathlo wrote:
21 Sep 2018 05:42
does this make any sense at all? its really late and i'm half asleep making up stuff, and to me it does
/pt̪u/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθu/ --> /pθʷ/ --> /ɸʷ/ --> /ɸ/
This is the thread for quick questions about conworlds and concultures, so this would probably be a better question for the equivalent thread about conlangs.

That aside, the lenition of a stop next to another stop seems fine to me, as does the labialization (although I don't know how likely /u/ would be to drop if this were a monosyllabic word). The loss of labialization on a labial consonant is also nothing weird. The only part that I'm really unsure about is /pθʷ/ > /ɸʷ/.

Perhaps someone else could weigh in on that?
It sems unlikely as a single leap to me, but that doesn't matter - you can very easily make pθʷ > pɸʷ > ɸʷ

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Post by LinguoFranco » 31 Oct 2018 15:58

Okay, after a lot of consideration, I've decided to share my magic system for critiques.

I wanted to move away from the standard mana system, but I think I ended up recreating it somewhat. In this conworld, there exists a plant (which for now I will call 'Arcana') that produces its own magical energy, also called Arcana. An individual can consume the plant in order to be able to channel the Arcana through them and use magic. However, this is risky, as the body can reject the plant and is poisonous to those who are not born with magical talent. Actually, the real Arcana plant itself can also be deadly if consumed without proper preparation. There is also another plant that is very similar in appearance, but contains a lethal poison, so it is very important for people, mages especially, to recognize the difference between the different species of plants.

This is as far as I have gotten, as I have not figured out what the magic will do, yet.

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LinguoFranco wrote:
31 Oct 2018 15:58
Okay, after a lot of consideration, I've decided to share my magic system for critiques.

I wanted to move away from the standard mana system, but I think I ended up recreating it somewhat. In this conworld, there exists a plant (which for now I will call 'Arcana') that produces its own magical energy, also called Arcana. An individual can consume the plant in order to be able to channel the Arcana through them and use magic. However, this is risky, as the body can reject the plant and is poisonous to those who are not born with magical talent. Actually, the real Arcana plant itself can also be deadly if consumed without proper preparation. There is also another plant that is very similar in appearance, but contains a lethal poison, so it is very important for people, mages especially, to recognize the difference between the different species of plants.

This is as far as I have gotten, as I have not figured out what the magic will do, yet.
It's not much of a system yet, TBH. I like the idea of magic coming from ingesting a given plant. I dislike the fact that you require a magical talent for that. By adding this restriction, your 'Arcana' becomes just another mana that happens to come from another plant and not a ley line or something. Personally, I'd find it much more interesting if it gave anyone who eats it magical power. First off, this opens up interesting cultural considerations: power holders would be likely to want to restrict the availability of the plant to have a monopoly on that, etc. On the other hand, animals eating the plant could also gain magical powers which would be interesting.

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Is it possible to be born an adult or young teenager and have all the knowledge of the world in your brain? the idea occured me recently,

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Is it possible to be born an adult or young teenager and have all the knowledge of the world in your brain? the idea occured me recently,
Wait, what? What’s the context for this question? In the real world, the answer is, of course, “No, absolutely not”. It’s not possible to be born as anything other than a baby. Given that, along with the fact that this is in the C&C section, I assume you’re asking in the context of a particular fictional setting? If so, which?

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Post by LinguoFranco » 02 Nov 2018 05:57

gestaltist wrote:
31 Oct 2018 20:05
LinguoFranco wrote:
31 Oct 2018 15:58
Okay, after a lot of consideration, I've decided to share my magic system for critiques.

I wanted to move away from the standard mana system, but I think I ended up recreating it somewhat. In this conworld, there exists a plant (which for now I will call 'Arcana') that produces its own magical energy, also called Arcana. An individual can consume the plant in order to be able to channel the Arcana through them and use magic. However, this is risky, as the body can reject the plant and is poisonous to those who are not born with magical talent. Actually, the real Arcana plant itself can also be deadly if consumed without proper preparation. There is also another plant that is very similar in appearance, but contains a lethal poison, so it is very important for people, mages especially, to recognize the difference between the different species of plants.

This is as far as I have gotten, as I have not figured out what the magic will do, yet.
It's not much of a system yet, TBH. I like the idea of magic coming from ingesting a given plant. I dislike the fact that you require a magical talent for that. By adding this restriction, your 'Arcana' becomes just another mana that happens to come from another plant and not a ley line or something. Personally, I'd find it much more interesting if it gave anyone who eats it magical power. First off, this opens up interesting cultural considerations: power holders would be likely to want to restrict the availability of the plant to have a monopoly on that, etc. On the other hand, animals eating the plant could also gain magical powers which would be interesting.
You're right, I'll scrap the magical talent idea. I'm not sure what kind of magic the users can use yet, but I have been wanting to write a story where enchanted weapons and armor play a big part of it, though I'm not sure if this is the right kind of magic system for that.

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Post by jimydog000 » 03 Nov 2018 13:18

fruityloops wrote:
01 Nov 2018 15:43
Is it possible to be born an adult or young teenager and have all the knowledge of the world in your brain? the idea occured me recently,
All of the knowledge of the world, in the real world? No.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I googled this and found a Wikipedia article on it.

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