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Post by dwnielsen » 04 Dec 2010 15:11

Thanks for the input, jseamus. I hadn't been thinking in the animal ethology vein - might be an interesting approach to incorporate. BTW, I meant to post my question in Conlangs - mea culpa.

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Post by jseamus » 04 Dec 2010 19:57

Thanks for the links reizoukin!

Another question:

When developing realistic religions, what inspires you?
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Post by Ossicone » 04 Dec 2010 20:06

jseamus wrote:When developing realistic religions, what inspires you?
I've always enjoyed reading mythologies. So I usually just try and write some kind of story that explains part of the world or some superstition.

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Post by Micamo » 04 Dec 2010 20:11

jseamus wrote:Thanks for the links reizoukin!

Another question:

When developing realistic religions, what inspires you?
Spiritual beliefs generally arise when people attempt to ascribe teleological methods to describe natural phenomena, in other words, using the same reasoning when they try to figure out the behavior of people when they try to figure out non-people things. People set things on fire because they want them to burn. When something gets struck by lightning and catches fire, then maybe it's because the lightning wanted it to burn? Why would the lightning want it to burn? Maybe the lightning set the forest on fire so it could heat its food, like we do?

After some extrapolation, interleaving with similar beliefs, and a few doses of the telephone game, it becomes widely believed that forest fires happen when the gods/spirits want to cook their dinner. Cue images of people sitting in giant sky palaces with huge pots of stew.
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Post by Thakowsaizmu » 04 Dec 2010 20:13

jseamus wrote: Another question:

When developing realistic religions, what inspires you?
Anatomy of the Sacred, by James C Livingston

Creation of the Sacred, Walter Burkert

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Post by Thakowsaizmu » 04 Dec 2010 20:16

Micamo wrote:Spiritual beliefs generally arise when people attempt to ascribe teleological methods to describe natural phenomena, in other words, using the same reasoning when they try to figure out the behavior of people when they try to figure out non-people things. People set things on fire because they want them to burn. When something gets struck by lightning and catches fire, then maybe it's because the lightning wanted it to burn? Why would the lightning want it to burn? Maybe the lightning set the forest on fire so it could heat its food, like we do?

After some extrapolation, interleaving with similar beliefs, and a few doses of the telephone game, it becomes widely believed that forest fires happen when the gods/spirits want to cook their dinner. Cue images of people sitting in giant sky palaces with huge pots of stew.
That's not quite right. Understanding of the Sacred is something that is practically hard wired into us.

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Post by jseamus » 04 Dec 2010 20:21

Thanks, ladies.

@Asania: I have wanted to read Anatomy of the Sacred for some time. I don't know much about it though. Does it, by any chance, have a Durkheimian view of the Sacred?
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Post by Micamo » 04 Dec 2010 20:25

Thakowsaizmu wrote:That's not quite right. Understanding of the Sacred is something that is practically hard wired into us.
How so?
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Post by dwnielsen » 04 Dec 2010 23:48

Well, during a thunderstorm or a flood, one may feel that something is angry and attacking or reprimanding. There is this idea that there is an economy in nature, that there are pros balanced by cons, but we may not understand the precise reasons. One notion is that those who are given the ability to preserve emotional awareness may feel something and use this less rigorous and less explicable memory structure to take action which is described in the language of actors and symbols.

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Post by Tanni » 05 Dec 2010 16:06

jseamus wrote:Another question:

When developing realistic religions, what inspires you?
''Realistic religion'' is this possible? Religions are usually rather unrealistic.

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Spiritual beliefs generally arise when people attempt to ascribe teleological methods to describe natural phenomena, in other words, using the same reasoning when they try to figure out the behavior of people when they try to figure out non-people things. People set things on fire because they want them to burn. When something gets struck by lightning and catches fire, then maybe it's because the lightning wanted it to burn? Why would the lightning want it to burn? Maybe the lightning set the forest on fire so it could heat its food, like we do?

After some extrapolation, interleaving with similar beliefs, and a few doses of the telephone game, it becomes widely believed that forest fires happen when the gods/spirits want to cook their dinner. Cue images of people sitting in giant sky palaces with huge pots of stew.
He asked about religion, which is not the same as spiriutal believe.
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Post by Micamo » 05 Dec 2010 17:32

[quote="Tanni"]''Realistic religion'' is this possible? Religions are usually rather unrealistic./quote]

I think he means religions that people might actually follow.
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Post by Tanni » 05 Dec 2010 19:25

Micamo wrote:
Tanni wrote:''Realistic religion'' is this possible? Religions are usually rather unrealistic./quote]

I think he means religions that people might actually follow.
Satanism?
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Post by reizoukin » 06 Dec 2010 00:15

Tanni wrote:
Micamo wrote:
Tanni wrote:''Realistic religion'' is this possible? Religions are usually rather unrealistic./quote]

I think he means religions that people might actually follow.
Satanism?
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Post by jseamus » 06 Dec 2010 00:21

reizoukin likes satanism?! :-o

Seriously though, I was asking for what inspires you when you're trying to make conreligions that don't seem immediately improbable. And spirituality/superstition is somewhat covered by this as well. E.g. I want to add more variety to the religious and spiritual traditions in my Nejadish continent, and I want them to be believable (not necessarily the beliefs themselves, but the idea that someone would hold these beliefs); I also want them to be unique, not just pastiches of major RL religions.

What should I look to for inspiration?
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My sectret conworld project involves information traveling backward in time, and I was wondering if there were some good resources (aimed at lay persons) on the physics of that kind of time travel? Are there any strange temporal things that information can do, but matter can't? Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Micamo » 06 Dec 2010 05:06

jseamus wrote:My sectret conworld project involves information traveling backward in time, and I was wondering if there were some good resources (aimed at lay persons) on the physics of that kind of time travel? Are there any strange temporal things that information can do, but matter can't? Any help would be appreciated.
In our world, information going backwards in time requires matter going backwards in time.
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Post by jseamus » 06 Dec 2010 05:10

Micamo wrote:
jseamus wrote:My sectret conworld project involves information traveling backward in time, and I was wondering if there were some good resources (aimed at lay persons) on the physics of that kind of time travel? Are there any strange temporal things that information can do, but matter can't? Any help would be appreciated.
In our world, information going backwards in time requires matter going backwards in time.
What about some kind of quantum effect, like entanglement or something? I don't know much about this, so if that doesn't make sense, let me know?
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Post by reizoukin » 06 Dec 2010 09:02

jseamus wrote:reizoukin likes satanism?! :-o
No, just the smartness in the reply. =P

Honestly, I use the already-established culture, habits, stereotypes, setting, etc. and mash them together, or extrapolate. For example, I once thought up a culture which lived on the edge of the lake, and disposed of their dead by dropping the bodies into the lake with a weight to sink them. They came to the belief, over time, that their dead were then reborn as fish, and so the people refused to eat fish. When they first started dropping the bodies into the lake, they didn't have any preconceived notion about it; they simply saw the opportunity to dispose of the bodies in a handy way. Then their imagination kicked in.

So I guess what I'm saying is, give them habits and stereotypes and settings and a bit of culture, and extrapolate on THAT.
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Post by Micamo » 06 Dec 2010 15:31

jseamus wrote:
Micamo wrote:
jseamus wrote:My sectret conworld project involves information traveling backward in time, and I was wondering if there were some good resources (aimed at lay persons) on the physics of that kind of time travel? Are there any strange temporal things that information can do, but matter can't? Any help would be appreciated.
In our world, information going backwards in time requires matter going backwards in time.
What about some kind of quantum effect, like entanglement or something? I don't know much about this, so if that doesn't make sense, let me know?
Entanglement (or any kind of information transfer) still requires the interaction between bits of physical matter.
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