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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by GrandPiano » 30 Mar 2015 00:14

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Edit: Not a huge deal, in my opinion, but you might want to capitalize "Chinese" in the thread's title.
Oh, shoot, it is uncapitalized. I will fix that now.
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Sumelic » 24 Apr 2015 06:12

Would anyone be interested in a guide to spoken French? I know it's a bit of a "vanilla" language, and there seem to be a fair amount of other people on the forum who know it already. I've taken 4 years and a bit, so I'd be comfortable with introducing all of the basics. I was thinking to do something different, I might present the words in phonemic IPA rather than the main orthography. (Despite the fact that I say "spoken French", I've never lived in France, so what I really mean is more like "standard 2nd-language-learner's French free from notable archaisms or over-formal locutions" rather than actual colloquial French used in places like Paris or Quebec.)

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Prinsessa » 24 Apr 2015 10:51

If you could make it shorter than Wikipedia's extremely long descriptions, that'd be great.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by GrandPiano » 24 Apr 2015 13:47

I'd be very interested. I don't know what you mean by a "vanilla" language; sure, it's a very commonly learned language by Europeans and Americans, but it has plenty of interesting qualities, at least phonologically/phonetically: Nasal vowels, liaison, a voiced uvular fricative, front rounded vowels, a labial-palatal approximant… *sighs*

Not to mention the orthography. It's has a pretty regular spelling-to-sound correspondence (although I can't say the same about sound-to-spelling), but it has so many weird conventions, especially with all of the silent letters. I would actually prefer if you included the spelling (along with the IPA, of course), but I don't know if others share the way I feel about the orthography.
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Sumelic » 24 Apr 2015 17:20

GrandPiano wrote:I'd be very interested. I don't know what you mean by a "vanilla" language; sure, it's a very commonly learned language by Europeans and Americans, but it has plenty of interesting qualities, at least phonologically/phonetically: Nasal vowels, liaison, a voiced uvular fricative, front rounded vowels, a labial-palatal approximant… *sighs*

Not to mention the orthography. It's has a pretty regular spelling-to-sound correspondence (although I can't say the same about sound-to-spelling), but it has so many weird conventions, especially with all of the silent letters. I would actually prefer if you included the spelling (along with the IPA, of course), but I don't know if others share the way I feel about the orthography.
Hah, yeah, that's pretty much all that I meant (PIE, Western European, Romance language). But certainly, every individual language has interesting things about it, no matter how familiar the language seems.

If you'd like, I can include the orthography. I feel like it would be better to start with a representation of the sounds, because some of the spelling conventions are liable to cause confusion for learners, but I can also introduce the orthographic representations afterwards. It certainly has its quirks, although to me it makes a fair amount of sense (now Irish, thats's a language with really weird spelling conventions!).

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by GrandPiano » 24 Apr 2015 18:04

Sumelic wrote:
GrandPiano wrote:I'd be very interested. I don't know what you mean by a "vanilla" language; sure, it's a very commonly learned language by Europeans and Americans, but it has plenty of interesting qualities, at least phonologically/phonetically: Nasal vowels, liaison, a voiced uvular fricative, front rounded vowels, a labial-palatal approximant… *sighs*

Not to mention the orthography. It's has a pretty regular spelling-to-sound correspondence (although I can't say the same about sound-to-spelling), but it has so many weird conventions, especially with all of the silent letters. I would actually prefer if you included the spelling (along with the IPA, of course), but I don't know if others share the way I feel about the orthography.
Hah, yeah, that's pretty much all that I meant (PIE, Western European, Romance language). But certainly, every individual language has interesting things about it, no matter how familiar the language seems.

If you'd like, I can include the orthography. I feel like it would be better to start with a representation of the sounds, because some of the spelling conventions are liable to cause confusion for learners, but I can also introduce the orthographic representations afterwards. It certainly has its quirks, although to me it makes a fair amount of sense (now Irish, thats's a language with really weird spelling conventions!).
I think I'd prefer to see the spellings from the beginning, alongside the pronunciation, rather than have it introduced later. Those that aren't interested in the written language don't have to look at the orthography. Perhaps you could have two sets of exercises, one with the orthography and one with IPA. I'm planning on doing a similar thing with the Mandarin lessons (and an update for that is comming): One set of exercises will use traditional characters, and the other will use simplified characters.
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Apr 2015 18:07

I think I might be interested, but only if the orthography were included. That's just me, though.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Sumelic » 24 Apr 2015 19:02

It looks like the consensus is to introduce spelling at the same time as pronunciation. I'm thinking I'll use glossing conventions for the example sentences.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Apr 2015 19:09

[+1] I'd personally appreciate glosses.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Shemtov » 31 Aug 2015 11:04

I'm currently teaching myself Mongolian. Would anybody be interested in lessons once I reach a higher level?
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by shimobaatar » 31 Aug 2015 19:36

Shemtov wrote:I'm currently teaching myself Mongolian. Would anybody be interested in lessons once I reach a higher level?
[+1] I think that would be very interesting!

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by thetha » 01 Sep 2015 04:33

I'd enjoy mongolian lessons as well [:)]

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by qwed117 » 01 Sep 2015 06:04

Itd be pointless of me to repeat what others have already said, but I like Mongolian too much to give up that opportunity.

I would like to learn Mongolian too. (It'll be a shame though if we'll have to use Cyrillic though)
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Shemtov » 04 Sep 2015 08:54

qwed117 wrote:. (It'll be a shame though if we'll have to use Cyrillic though)
Yeah, the book I'm using uses the Cyrillic exclusively
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by clawgrip » 04 Sep 2015 15:23

I have been interested in Mongolian for a while, but I know next to nothing (I do know how to say "I love you" though).

All but one of the Mongolians I've met have been from Inner Mongolia, and pretty much all of them wrote in Mongolian script instead of Cyrillic. Yet all the books I've come across are about Mongolia Mongolian in Cyrillic. Not only are the dialects different, but I can't really figure out Mongolian vowels anyway, and how they are represented in Cyrillic I seem to recall not make much sense to me. So if you can clarify anything, I would look forward to it.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Shemtov » 03 Nov 2015 23:46

I'm sorry to say that I couldn't handle a non-IE non-Semetic language right now (college and all) so I stopped doing Mongolian, but I do plan to return to it.
Anyway, is there anyone here who can do lessons on Bangla Lipi (Bengali script)?
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by clawgrip » 04 Nov 2015 02:36

I want to say that I could probably brush up on it a bit and do it, but Bangla has a bunch of weird vowels and things going on, so I am not confident I could do it.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Hælæif » 11 Nov 2015 13:26

A welsh guide!

I own three books for welsh, two grammars and a book meant to teach beginner to intermediate welsh.
Sadly, I've not found any of them much help...
A guide/list of resources would be much appreciated.
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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Lambuzhao » 23 Mar 2016 18:38

I really really want to do Swiss German and don't want to have to switch to another language,
Well, the cruel reality of college research is precisely whether or not you can find good resources within the time given.
I suggest selecting a language B in the wings, just in case.

There're these-

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL1146169 ... iss_German

http://www.worldcat.org/title/schwyzert ... lc/9434487

And you could do an interlibrary loan with your University's library, but I dunno how long that will take in this particular case.

I hope these may help, and you can get them in time before due date.

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Re: Lesson/Guide Requests

Post by Shemtov » 30 Mar 2016 20:23

What do people think of Yiddish lessons?
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