Forum News discussion/feedback thread

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by ixals » 23 Feb 2019 11:48

I thought about this as well recently so I would welcome the addition of such a feature, too.
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Feb 2019 12:02

For whatever it's worth, I believe this has been brought up at least once before.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by gestaltist » 23 Feb 2019 18:15

shimobaatar wrote:
23 Feb 2019 12:02
For whatever it's worth, I believe this has been brought up at least once before.
And I even participated in the discussion which I completely forgot. Thanks for linking this. The mods didn't even deign that thread with a comment so I guess that's that.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by elemtilas » 23 Feb 2019 23:14

gestaltist wrote:
23 Feb 2019 18:15
shimobaatar wrote:
23 Feb 2019 12:02
For whatever it's worth, I believe this has been brought up at least once before.
And I even participated in the discussion which I completely forgot. Thanks for linking this. The mods didn't even deign that thread with a comment so I guess that's that.
I'd forgotten about that too!

I don't think I've changed my opinion about it either. I'd much rather have actual feedback or discussion or questions about whatever I post than a numeric up/down vote system.

Ah, but then we come back to the old problem (of which I am guilty!) of not always or consistently replying to others' efforts. Pretty discouraging, actually.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by gestaltist » 24 Feb 2019 16:45

elemtilas wrote:
23 Feb 2019 23:14
Ah, but then we come back to the old problem (of which I am guilty!) of not always or consistently replying to others' efforts. Pretty discouraging, actually.
My point exactly. The ratio of likes to actual posts was always like 5:1 on the other forum. I'm sure a lot of threads here would've been continued for longer if those people knew someone was following along.
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 24 Feb 2019 16:46

I’d like a like button. I’d like to like things.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » 24 Feb 2019 19:16

A like button could be useful, but no dislike button. That would just spread discord.

A like button is a good way to show that you've read and appreciated someone's post without having to make a token response. Otherwise it may look like you've ignored the post.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by eldin raigmore » 25 Feb 2019 19:28

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
24 Feb 2019 19:16
A like button could be useful, but no dislike button. That would just spread discord.

A like button is a good way to show that you've read and appreciated someone's post without having to make a token response. Otherwise it may look like you've ignored the post.
I went to “like” the above post, then realized I don’t have a “like” button yet ...

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by elemtilas » 25 Feb 2019 20:34

gestaltist wrote:
24 Feb 2019 16:45
elemtilas wrote:
23 Feb 2019 23:14
Ah, but then we come back to the old problem (of which I am guilty!) of not always or consistently replying to others' efforts. Pretty discouraging, actually.
My point exactly. The ratio of likes to actual posts was always like 5:1 on the other forum. I'm sure a lot of threads here would've been continued for longer if those people knew someone was following along.
Good point that. Perhaps a like button would be better than nothing.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by Corphishy » 05 Mar 2019 00:52

I personally don't care for like buttons as I feel like it gives an unnecessary level of competition to make a "good thread" rather than to just have genuine human conversation. However, if there were to be a like button, there definitely should NOT be a dislike button. Dislike buttons are probably one of the most toxic and unconstructive forms of criticism ever devised by man. It also leads to people getting disliked not because they said something dislikeable, but because people don't like them.

I think that the best way to show someone you "like" their thread or post is to create a post saying what about it and why you liked it. This, along with constructive criticism and asking questions is a far better system than simply hitting a button. Its also more in line with what a forum is for: discussion.
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by sangi39 » 05 Mar 2019 02:44

I think Aszev would have to do the work on that one, but I'm sort of 50/50 on a "like" button as a feature.

On the one hand, I prefer actual feedback (what someone liked, where someone thought things could have been better, and the like), so a "like" button could lead to a decrease in actual comments (maybe).

On the other hand, as others have said, being able to see that someone has read and then "liked" your post, especially in your own thread, can be a good sign, even if nothing's actually being said. I know at least a few times we've had newer members ask about lack of feedback, to be told that sometimes we don't comment precisely because there's nothing more we can add to the topic other than "looks good" (I know at least some of my own topics don't get much more than that, if anything at all).

I think I'd be happy with one, but if we did get it, I'd really like to see people still writing out full posts in response as well. Seeing that someone has "liked" your stuff doesn't tell you why they hit that button.

And, yeah, no "dislike" option (unless we really, really have to, maybe because the Board can't be set up to just have a "like" button).
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by elemtilas » 05 Mar 2019 03:01

Corphishy wrote:
05 Mar 2019 00:52
I personally don't care for like buttons as I feel like it gives an unnecessary level of competition to make a "good thread" rather than to just have genuine human conversation. However, if there were to be a like button, there definitely should NOT be a dislike button. Dislike buttons are probably one of the most toxic and unconstructive forms of criticism ever devised by man. It also leads to people getting disliked not because they said something dislikeable, but because people don't like them.
A good point, though I daresay folks hereabouts are not so juvenile in that direction. Ironically, I don't think a like button only would result in "likes" simply because people like the person.

Me still not convinced of their utility, though gestaltist did make a good point.
I think that the best way to show someone you "like" their thread or post is to create a post saying what about it and why you liked it. This, along with constructive criticism and asking questions is a far better system than simply hitting a button. Its also more in line with what a forum is for: discussion.
This I agree with, though mirror the recent exchange in this thread: yes this is ideal, and yes we often express intention to offer actual comment; the reality is very, very many substantive posts simply go unresponded to.

Am beginning to think either way is a lose-lose situation. While "likes" serve as a temporary endorphin generator, the reality is they don't actually tell a poster anything. The thing that is most meaningful for any of us, whether in the language or culture forums, is discussion & question. And that's something that doesn't happen with great frequency in my experience.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by gestaltist » 05 Mar 2019 20:33

sangi39 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 02:44
I think Aszev would have to do the work on that one, but I'm sort of 50/50 on a "like" button as a feature.
I actually PMed him a while back to bring this thread to his attention but he still didn't open the PM. Either he's flooded with messages or not around much. I'm not holding my breath for any changes.
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The thing that is most meaningful for any of us, whether in the language or culture forums, is discussion & question. And that's something that doesn't happen with great frequency in my experience.
This is an issue in all conlanging and conworlding communities I've seen. People are way more keen to share their creations than to spend the time required to get to know what others have created. I find it a pity since reading others' ideas is the best way to expand your own vision but I'm not naive enough to think I can fight against human nature and win.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by Aszev » 05 Mar 2019 21:24

gestaltist wrote:
05 Mar 2019 20:33
sangi39 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 02:44
I think Aszev would have to do the work on that one, but I'm sort of 50/50 on a "like" button as a feature.
I actually PMed him a while back to bring this thread to his attention but he still didn't open the PM. Either he's flooded with messages or not around much. I'm not holding my breath for any changes.
Sorry about that! I do check in regularly, but I'll sometimes skip logging in, thus not seeing PMs.

I do like the idea of a like function. The issue is that it's not a built-in feature of phpbb, meaning that we first have to find a suitable addon for it (not necessarily a major issue) and then hope that it's being updated as newer versions of phpbb are released. It's primarily the latter which I see as problematic. We've had addons on the forum in the past that we just had to get rid of due to them not being updated along with the board. But I'll try to find some time to look into it! In any case, I apologize for the lack of communication on my part.
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by Lambuzhao » 06 Mar 2019 01:12

When I make an attempt to respond to someone using their own conlang as my means of discourse, imagine that as me smashing my own version of the big red "Like Button" . [:P]

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by elemtilas » 06 Mar 2019 01:24

Lambuzhao wrote:
06 Mar 2019 01:12
When I make an attempt to respond to someone using their own conlang as my means of discourse, imagine that as me smashing my own version of the big red "Like Button" . [:P]
Right.

And this is one kind of response that is most appreciated!

Appreciated, that is, once the recipient recovers from the shock.

And in some cases, refers back to lexicon and reference grammar to sort out what was just said!

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by gestaltist » 06 Mar 2019 09:20

Aszev wrote:
05 Mar 2019 21:24
gestaltist wrote:
05 Mar 2019 20:33
sangi39 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 02:44
I think Aszev would have to do the work on that one, but I'm sort of 50/50 on a "like" button as a feature.
I actually PMed him a while back to bring this thread to his attention but he still didn't open the PM. Either he's flooded with messages or not around much. I'm not holding my breath for any changes.
Sorry about that! I do check in regularly, but I'll sometimes skip logging in, thus not seeing PMs.

I do like the idea of a like function. The issue is that it's not a built-in feature of phpbb, meaning that we first have to find a suitable addon for it (not necessarily a major issue) and then hope that it's being updated as newer versions of phpbb are released. It's primarily the latter which I see as problematic. We've had addons on the forum in the past that we just had to get rid of due to them not being updated along with the board. But I'll try to find some time to look into it! In any case, I apologize for the lack of communication on my part.
Thanks Aszev! I agree, finding a well-maintained plugin can be a pain. The other forum I mentioned had that function built-in so it was definitely easier for them. If you can implement it, I'll be very happy. If not, I understand the difficulties involved. It matters to me that you saw the suggestion and gave it some thought. :)
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06 Mar 2019 01:12
When I make an attempt to respond to someone using their own conlang as my means of discourse, imagine that as me smashing my own version of the big red "Like Button" . [:P]
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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by LinguistCat » 06 Mar 2019 16:26

I think a like button would be useful if people who wouldn't have commented (because they don't have any specific things they can comment on, they don't have the time to comment but want to show they are reading the thread and enjoyed a post) are going to use it, and people who would have commented with useful input use it in addition to that or do not use it. Neutral functions of a like button might be saving specific posts so one can come back and comment later.

A dislike button would not be of use, I think, because people would either use it for petty reasons ("I don't like prenasalized consonants and you use a lot of prenasalized consonants. Dislike!" OR it would be used when people should really just report the post or user instead of giving them a little slap on the wrist. Then again, social disapproval can be a strong force to stop certain behaviors before they get to the point of needing a ban. Then again again, some people thrive on any attention or interest.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by eldin raigmore » 07 Mar 2019 03:19

I agree with what Linguistcat just said.

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Re: Forum News discussion/feedback thread

Post by Lambuzhao » 10 Mar 2019 00:38

gestaltist wrote:
06 Mar 2019 09:20
Aszev wrote:
05 Mar 2019 21:24
gestaltist wrote:
05 Mar 2019 20:33
sangi39 wrote:
05 Mar 2019 02:44
I think Aszev would have to do the work on that one, but I'm sort of 50/50 on a "like" button as a feature.
I actually PMed him a while back to bring this thread to his attention but he still didn't open the PM. Either he's flooded with messages or not around much. I'm not holding my breath for any changes.
Sorry about that! I do check in regularly, but I'll sometimes skip logging in, thus not seeing PMs.

I do like the idea of a like function. The issue is that it's not a built-in feature of phpbb, meaning that we first have to find a suitable addon for it (not necessarily a major issue) and then hope that it's being updated as newer versions of phpbb are released. It's primarily the latter which I see as problematic. We've had addons on the forum in the past that we just had to get rid of due to them not being updated along with the board. But I'll try to find some time to look into it! In any case, I apologize for the lack of communication on my part.
Thanks Aszev! I agree, finding a well-maintained plugin can be a pain. The other forum I mentioned had that function built-in so it was definitely easier for them. If you can implement it, I'll be very happy. If not, I understand the difficulties involved. It matters to me that you saw the suggestion and gave it some thought. :)
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06 Mar 2019 01:12
When I make an attempt to respond to someone using their own conlang as my means of discourse, imagine that as me smashing my own version of the big red "Like Button" . [:P]
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