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Post by shimobaatar » 18 Apr 2018 13:54

A better idea for what?

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Post by eldin raigmore » 18 Apr 2018 17:57

shimobaatar wrote:
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A better idea for what?
For conlanging.
For coming up with a con-linguistic phenomenon that is rare or unnamed in, or missing from, RL natlangs or RL linguistics.

Or for a name for a RL linguistic “thing” that doesn’t already have as catchy a label.

Or for fun.

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Post by shimobaatar » 18 Apr 2018 18:00

I'm not sure what it would describe, but "rereduplication" sounds better to me, personally.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 18 Apr 2018 18:09

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I'm not sure what it would describe, but "rereduplication" sounds better to me, personally.
Me too.
If one applies reduplication to something that is already the result of reduplication, that might get called rereduplication.
It does happen IRL, and there is a legitimate question about it;
Does it result in something being said 3 times? Or 4 times?
In some natural languages the result is 3 consecutive instances of whatever; in other natlangs the result is 4 instances.
Then the next question is “Why?”.

OTOH for sheer fun “reduplicationation” sounds like something from a children’s educational TV show.

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Post by shimobaatar » 18 Apr 2018 18:36

For whatever it's worth, I've seen the term "triplication".

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Post by Creyeditor » 18 Apr 2018 20:54

eldin raigmore wrote:
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Does it result in something being said 3 times? Or 4 times?
Depends on the kind of reduplication, e.g. CV reduplication should result in things being said three times, full reduplication in things being said four times.

CV-rereduplication: result > rer~esult > re~reresult
full reduplication: result > result~result > resultresult~resultresult
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Post by eldin raigmore » 19 Apr 2018 03:44

Thanks, shimobataar and Creyeditor.

Can either or each of you direct me to examples of what each of you has just said?


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Post by Pabappa » 19 Apr 2018 04:47

Im skeptical of that Wikipedia article ... a few samples from elsewhere on the page:

The other cultural influences that are evident throughout Pingelapese history is the Spanish era portrayed in the Pingelapese dance called "Din Dihn" which is loosely translated in English to "Tin Tin". The dance reflects the introduction of a durable and foreign material called Tin by the Spaniards.
There is a set of words designated for deceiving long nouns, such as trees or roads.
The only other two languages in Micronesia that use triplification are Tibetan, Chintang, Batwana, and Thao.
It has been reported that around fifty years ago there was an early orthography taught at the Pingelap elementary atoll. It is not known to many people, but elderly Pingelapese people have confirmed it.
The Pingelapse language consists of a total of thirty five phonemes. There are 11 consonants and 14 vowels.
Pingelapese has ten syllables and eight vowel phonemes. This is the first recorded Pohnpeic language that has an eight-vowel system. Multiple young and elderly Pingelapese speakers in the Mwalok and Pingelap atoll can confirm this recent discovery of the eighth vowel.
Stand alone auxiliary verbs are also a constant in Pingelapese. These verbs are created by taking the ae, aen, e, and e from the pronoun auxiliary complex and will leave the person/number morphemes out.
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Post by shimobaatar » 19 Apr 2018 05:06

Oh wow, that's hilariously bad. I just google "triplication in linguistics", and didn't read very carefully (clearly).

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Post by eldin raigmore » 19 Apr 2018 05:06

There are two articles; the Reduplication article and the Pingelap article.
Which one are you suspicious of?

I agree that those things you found are suspicious.

I was suspicious with less reason, I’m just always suspicious of Wikipedia, unless I can find a corroborating document.

It’s still interesting.

BTW Some of this has been talked about before in the thread http://www.aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.php?t=4145#p162391

That’s “Pluralses and Rereduplication” if you have trouble finding it from the above URL.

You might also search for this string: triplication in grammar and/or linguistics
And pick out the best hits.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... 968X.12083
https://revije.ff.uni-lj.si/linguistica ... /3610/3307
http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/e ... s_1991.pdf
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/su ... 1.546.4399
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf


Possibly inter alia.
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Post by Creyeditor » 19 Apr 2018 09:47

home.uni-leipzig.de/zimmerma/Talks/Rep16_sl.pdf are slides about multiple CV-reduplication, just skip the theory and look at the data (e.g. 12/51).
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Post by eldin raigmore » 19 Apr 2018 12:12

Creyeditor wrote:
19 Apr 2018 09:47
home.uni-leipzig.de/zimmerma/Talks/Rep16_sl.pdf are slides about multiple CV-reduplication, just skip the theory and look at the data (e.g. 12/51).
I get a “no route found” error message when I try to bring up that link.
Edit: I was able to edit the URL and find the PowerPoint slideshow. (The problem is with getting there from the CBB.)
Thanks! I hope to look into it further; it looks informative!

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Post by LinguistCat » 29 Apr 2018 00:05

Does anyone else try to research something and then as soon as you ask a question somewhere, your "google-fu" gets about ten times better for that subject?

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LinguistCat wrote:
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Does anyone else try to research something and then as soon as you ask a question somewhere, your "google-fu" gets about ten times better for that subject?
I’ve noticed something similar; but my improvements aren’t that big nor that rapid.

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Post by Dormouse559 » 29 Apr 2018 00:57

LinguistCat wrote:
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Does anyone else try to research something and then as soon as you ask a question somewhere, your "google-fu" gets about ten times better for that subject?
I'm much more likely to experience the irl version of this. Like, it used to be that when I couldn't find something, I'd ask my mom to help me, but then almost instantly I'd find what I was looking for.

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Post by Creyeditor » 29 Apr 2018 12:49

If I think about a problem, it often helps to explain the question/problem to someone. Usually, this already gets me a step closer to the solution.
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Post by eldin raigmore » 29 Apr 2018 15:16

Dormouse559 wrote:
29 Apr 2018 00:57
LinguistCat wrote:
29 Apr 2018 00:05
Does anyone else try to research something and then as soon as you ask a question somewhere, your "google-fu" gets about ten times better for that subject?
I'm much more likely to experience the irl version of this. Like, it used to be that when I couldn't find something, I'd ask my mom to help me, but then almost instantly I'd find what I was looking for.
I noticed decades ago that if I couldn’t find some address I only had to ask a stranger for directions and then I’d suddenly realize I was right there.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 29 Apr 2018 15:17

Creyeditor wrote:
29 Apr 2018 12:49
If I think about a problem, it often helps to explain the question/problem to someone. Usually, this already gets me a step closer to the solution.
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