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Chthulucene or Cthulhucene?

Post by eldin raigmore » 02 Dec 2018 16:29

Are we living in a Chthulucene Epoch, or a Cthulhucene Epoch?
Anyone else here ever heard of either of these?
The debate has been going on since 2015, apparently. How come I’m just now hearing of these alternatives?
(Other notions — Anthropocene, Capitalocene, et alia— have been around longer, I guess. )

What about the epoch/epic distinction?


This question is semiserious. Well, at least 33% serious.

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Post by Lambuzhao » 02 Dec 2018 20:09

epic [->] :grc: ἐπικός 'worthy of being included/mentioned/remembered in a poem' , Ult. from PIE *wékʷos 'voice'; 'speech'
Cf.
:con: Mṛṣārtha sūktánas 'spoken of well'
:con: Aiwidruxtô hūxtanas 'spoken of well'
:con: Leugatuggǭ gawahansama 'mentionable'
:con: Noäpčea uociqos "Invocable" epithet for household godlets, tutelary dieties, and Poliardic divinities

epoch [->] :grc: ἐποχή 'a pause, cessation' , Ult. from PIE *h₁epi 'on, in' + *seǵʰ- 'hold', 'overpower'
Cf.
:con: Mṛṣārtha apisáhas 'the power to halt; self-disicipline'
:con: Aiwidruxtô aipihaza 'self-discipline; austerity'
:con: Leugatuggǭ bisigis ' a waylaying, an ambush, a surprise victory'
:con: Noäpčea obischa (dial. upischù) 'constrainment, hemming in'

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Post by Lambuzhao » 02 Dec 2018 20:25

Chthulucene

Hmmm… since we may well be in the interstitial, intercalary strange-age between Cthulhu awakenings, we may as well be in the
Interchthulucene (?!)

…and let's just let those sleeping intergalactic bullmastifffs lie…

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Post by Lambuzhao » 02 Dec 2018 20:33

eldin raigmore wrote:
19 Nov 2018 05:04
1. Thanks, Lambuzhao.

2. Rafting?
2A. From where?
2b. To where?
2c. When?

3. I’m almost sure you’re right about the permafrost. Probably the plants, too. But Antarctica still had macroflora sometime after it drifted to the South Pole — right? Would it have kept its ants until the bigger and middle-sized plants all died?
Certainly.
One of my favorite episodes of Walking With Dinosaurs is about the island continent of Antarctica, which maintained polar forests well into the late Mesozoic Era.
Based on more recent paleoecological & palynological studies, looks like Antarctica had Podocarp~Nothfagus forests into the Eocene. That, plus overall globally warmer temps during the Eocene would have more than assured any native ant species to have survived into the early Cenozoic Era.

Also looks like Antarctica had pockets of tundra
Edit: microhabitat/microbiome
from roughly 17~2 Mya (!!?!)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 801730219X


Wow!
[O.O]
That's geologically super-recent!
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Post by Pabappa » 02 Dec 2018 20:37

I would just say "biome" or "habitat" for that.
Sorry guys, this one has the worst sting.

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Post by Lambuzhao » 02 Dec 2018 20:41

Lambuzhao wrote:
02 Dec 2018 20:33
eldin raigmore wrote:
19 Nov 2018 05:04
1. Thanks, Lambuzhao.

2. Rafting?
2A. From where?
2b. To where?
2c. When?

3. I’m almost sure you’re right about the permafrost. Probably the plants, too. But Antarctica still had macroflora sometime after it drifted to the South Pole — right? Would it have kept its ants until the bigger and middle-sized plants all died?
Certainly.
One of my favorite episodes of Walking With Dinosaurs is about the island continent of Antarctica, which maintained polar forests well into the late Mesozoic Era.
Based on more recent paleoecological & palynological studies, looks like Antarctica had Podocarp~Nothfagus forests into the Eocene. That, plus overall globally warmer temps during the Eocene would have more than assured any native ant species to have survived into the early Cenozoic Era.

Also looks like Antarctica had pockets of tundra ecotopes (is that the right term?) from roughly 17~2 Mya (!!?!)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 801730219X


Wow!
[O.O]
That's geologically super-recent!
Whoops! Sorry. Here→

2. Rafting? = Traveling on piles of floating wrack/debris. Ants could also raft within semi-rotten branches or tree-sections that had broken in a monsoon or hurricane. {Now, just thinking about it, queen/drone ant pairs or groups might've been blown off course as well}

2A. From where? → Gonwondan neighbors: Tierra del Fuego, Tasmania, South Africa, and/or any isles or aights that are even closer, and support populations of ant species.

2b. To where? → Antarctica ¿right?
2c. When? → Uff! Looks like anywhen from the Cretaceous into the Eocene (120 ~ 50 Mya).

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Post by Lambuzhao » 02 Dec 2018 20:42

Pabappa wrote:
02 Dec 2018 20:37
I would just say "biome" or "habitat" for that.
Uy! of course.
Thanks!!
[:D]

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Post by eldin raigmore » 02 Dec 2018 23:26

Thanks, all!

BTW.
Chthulucene is (apparently and reportedly) meant to be related to “chthonic”, “autochthonous”, “Melanchthon”, etc.
Cthulhucene is related to the Lovecraftian Great Old Ones and/or Elder Gods.

BTW again; chthonoclysm is not in the dictionary as far as I know, but if it were, would it mean an unusually destructive landslide?
What exactly are the differences between clysms and clasms?

Kurt Vonnegut wrote of chronosynclastic infundibula; could one write of, say, chronosanclystic infundibulae?

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Post by Lambuzhao » 04 Dec 2018 00:50

-clysm is related to the more or less obsolete clyster, which are derivations from the :grc: κλυζειν [kly.sde:n] "to wash"

-clasm comes from the :grc: verb κλᾰ́ειν [kla.e:n] "to break", which has almost ¼ gazillion IE cognates, and 6⅞ crore of derivations which have come down into English, including clade, cladistics, clone, colon, colaphon, coup d'état, cleric, clerk, clergy, cleronomy, clastic, pyroclase… … …

… there's a chance I'm wrong on the exact numerical figures.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 04 Dec 2018 03:06

So a chthonoclasm would be an earth-shattering event; while a chthonoclysm would be something like the sinking of Atlantis or Zealandia, or a Noachian-level flood.

Right?

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Do they like Yu Aida’s “GunslingerGirl” in Italy?
Edit: Why don’t the characters’ mouth movements match up to their Japanese dialogue?
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Post by Lambuzhao » 08 Dec 2018 13:44

eldin raigmore wrote:
04 Dec 2018 03:06
So a chthonoclasm would be an earth-shattering event;
Possibly like another word for an earthquake or seismic episode, or also tectonic plate separation, or else an asteroid impact.


while a chthonoclysm would be something like the sinking of Atlantis or Zealandia, or a Noachian-level flood.
Right?
Hmm… a 'cleansing of the earth' by water... makes sense.

Also could perhaps be a cleansing by (liquified) earth, i.e. a deleterious deluge of magma from a volcano, or from some kind of chthonoclastic event.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 08 Dec 2018 14:54

Lambuzhao wrote:
08 Dec 2018 13:44
eldin raigmore wrote:
04 Dec 2018 03:06
... chthonoclasm ...
... tectonic plate separation, ...
I was just about to edit in that suggestion, when I saw that you had posted it!

Your other ideas seem spot on, as well.

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Post by Lambuzhao » 23 Dec 2018 14:29

Thanks!
[:D]

(Uff! Sorry i'm so late to answer- Been very busy wrapping up the school midyear with the assorted Urswicks and Escuincles. )

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Post by fruityloops » 08 Jan 2019 19:06

how do you change the theme of the website? all of the sudden the code change to the default phpbb forum theme.

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There's nothing we as users can do to change it, as far as I've ever heard. If I understand correctly, whatever it is that allows the board to be hosted recently updated, so there aren't a lot of choices at the moment when it comes to how the board looks.

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Post by Shemtov » 27 Feb 2019 20:14

How can one post in scripts that go in opposite directions? I've had trouble with that, editing can be a bit issue.
Many children make up, or begin to make up, imaginary languages. I have been at it since I could write.
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Post by eldin raigmore » 27 Feb 2019 20:53

Shemtov wrote:
27 Feb 2019 20:14
How can one post in scripts that go in opposite directions? I've had trouble with that, editing can be a bit issue.
I think if you’re going to write any kind of boustrophedon and post it, you’ll have to take a picture and post the picture.
That probably goes double for vertical boustrophedon.

If I’m wrong, I imagine it’d be because some piece of software lets you choose the writing direction at the beginning of each line.

Don’t Egyptian hieroglyphics have that pair-of-legs-walking glyph at the beginning of each line that tell whether it’s right-to-left or left-to-right?

Don’t Mayan, or some other Mesoamerican or South American, hieroglyphics, have all the glyphs that incorporate faces, face the beginning of the line?

I can imagine every line starting with a glyph facing up or down or left or right, to show which direction the line was meant to be read; and ending with a glyph facing up or down or left or right, to show which direction to look for the next line.

But I doubt there’s any software already on the market, and debugged, and fast, and inexpensive, that could follow such control characters.
If there is, I haven’t heard of it yet.

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Post by fruityloops » 19 Mar 2019 14:08

how do you justify some humans having....brightly colored hair? like for some reason i just find them more interesting then what humans usually have.

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Post by Dormouse559 » 19 Mar 2019 18:19

As in they naturally have brightly colored hair (presumably things like blue, green, purple)? From what I understand, brightly colored hair/fur is really rare, if it appears at all, so I'd want to research why that is. Perhaps it's simply not evolutionarily beneficial, or perhaps there's some physical property of hair that makes blue, green, etc. coloration unlikely. On that train of thought, I'd look into whether there's any reason the principles that make brightly colored feathers (refraction, reflection, scattering) couldn't be applied to hair. If you don't mind the color being "natural" but not innate, you might look at sloths, which sometimes appear to have green fur because of the algae growing in it.

Explaining why those colors emerged sounds like a more complex proposition to me. I get the impression it would involve changing your humans' mating behavior to select for increasingly bright hair and/or changing their environment or biology so that bright colors become at least neutral, but ideally beneficial, for survival. Both options, it seems to me, imply other changes in how these people behave and think (and maybe the distribution of hair on their bodies?) which could be interesting to game out.

All of that's assuming you want biological naturalism. You could justify brightly colored hair in ways that aren't naturalistic but are consistent with the rules of your conworld. And in a pinch, there's always the magic of "Because I say so".

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