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German Gay Marriage Law & Resulting Discussion [split]

Post by Avo » 30 Jun 2017 14:37

A campaigning move of the German Social Democrat Party (the junior partner in the governing coalition) a week ago suddenly lead to the German Parliament approving a law that will allow Gay Marriage ("Marriage for All" as it's called here). It was long overdue and aggressively blocked by Merkel's Christian Democrats in the past. It's insane how fast this went down now. This makes me happy.

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Post by Creyeditor » 30 Jun 2017 14:55

Me too.
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Post by elemtilas » 30 Jun 2017 15:04

Avo wrote:A campaigning move of the German Social Democrat Party (the junior partner in the governing coalition) a week ago suddenly lead to the German Parliament approving a law that will allow Gay Marriage ("Marriage for All" as it's called here). It was long overdue and aggressively blocked by Merkel's Christian Democrats in the past. It's insane how fast this went down now. This makes me happy.
One wonders what will they'll come up with next. Marriage with children? Marriage with dogs? Marriage with dead people? I mean, paedophiles and necrophiles ought to be brought into the new All Inclusive Society they're cooking up these days! I guess Mohammed was on to something after all...
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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » 30 Jun 2017 16:22

Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
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Post by Frislander » 30 Jun 2017 16:36

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous, but being autistic I wouldn't know.

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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » 30 Jun 2017 17:03

Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous, but being autistic I wouldn't know.
I'm on the spectrum myself [:'(] I can never tell with these things...

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Post by Frislander » 30 Jun 2017 17:07

KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:
Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous, but being autistic I wouldn't know.
I'm on the spectrum myself [:'(] I can never tell with these things...

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Re: The Majestic 4th Conversation Thread

Post by gach » 30 Jun 2017 18:03

Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous, but being autistic I wouldn't know.
Well, bizarrely at least incest and zoophilia are both things that have been repeatedly invoked by the more hard line conservatives when they try to argue against gay marriage. It might be meant as a joke, but if you want to advance your own political views, you'd better do it with clever and relevant arguments. Then again, it's not at all always clear what's meant as satire from the start and what's explained as such only afterwards when you notice that what you said has turned against you. The progress of 1) committing an intolerant gaffe, 2) experiencing the public or legal backlash, and 3) explaining it all as mere satire and accusing your opponents for taking your words out of their context is all too common to witness especially with politicians edging towards the far right.

But yeah, so the world changes. Congrats to Germany.

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Post by Egerius » 30 Jun 2017 18:54

elemtilas wrote:
Avo wrote:[Being supportive of homosexual marriage.]
One wonders what will they'll come up with next. Marriage with children? Marriage with dogs? Marriage with dead people? I mean, paedophiles and necrophiles ought to be brought into the new All Inclusive Society they're cooking up these days! I guess Mohammed was on to something after all...
I'm afraid, the first two are not going to exist legally, based on moral grounds. The last one, however, more or less was accepted during the world wars.

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Post by Ahzoh » 30 Jun 2017 19:05

Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous, but being autistic I wouldn't know.
How exactly would it be sarcastic unless it's supposed to mock those who say it seriously?
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Post by eldin raigmore » 30 Jun 2017 20:26

Ahzoh wrote:How exactly would it be sarcastic unless it's supposed to mock those who say it seriously?
I think you mean "satirical" instead of "sarcastic".
If it is satire, it is indeed meant to mock those who say it seriously.
And if it's the opposite of what elemtilas really believes, it's also irony.
(It may, or may not, also be sarcasm; sarcasm is "cutting remarks".)

As for being "on the spectrum";
I am.
I would be surprised, in fact, if elemtilas and Kai and Frislander and Ahzoh aren't also (or at least most of them). Maybe even Egerius and gach, or at least one of them.
I could be dead wrong about almost all of that. Oh well.

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Post by lsd » 30 Jun 2017 21:15

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Post by qwed117 » 30 Jun 2017 21:25

lsd wrote:The world is accelerating,
the narrative genders are mixed
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towards the universal idiocraty...
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o become virtual character of the brave new word...
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Post by lsd » 30 Jun 2017 21:31

wrong...

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Post by Egerius » 30 Jun 2017 21:42

eldin raigmore wrote:As for being "on the spectrum";
I am.
Maybe even Egerius and gach, or at least one of them.
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Post by Ahzoh » 30 Jun 2017 21:56

I thought it was known on the spectrum, especially since I often talked about it.
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Post by Xonen » 30 Jun 2017 23:40

Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous
That's the thing, though; it's hard to see the humor in it when actual bigots have been saying the exact same stuff for years. [:S] Now, elemtilas is a fairly well-established board member with, as far as I know, no previous record of extreme homophobia, so I'm willing to grant some benefit of the doubt here... But seriously, people, if you're going to be satirical about stuff like this on a board like this, you need to make it quite a bit more obvious.

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Post by Ahzoh » 30 Jun 2017 23:46

On the internet, satire and mockery of what people say is often indicated by the following:

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Post by shimobaatar » 01 Jul 2017 01:24

Xonen wrote:
Frislander wrote:
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:Are you for real, elemtilas? Good God...
I think he is engaging in the unusual and quite puzzling activity known as "satire". Apparently it's supposed to be humourous
That's the thing, though; it's hard to see the humor in it when actual bigots have been saying the exact same stuff for years. [:S] Now, elemtilas is a fairly well-established board member with, as far as I know, no previous record of extreme homophobia, so I'm willing to grant some benefit of the doubt here... But seriously, people, if you're going to be satirical about stuff like this on a board like this, you need to make it quite a bit more obvious.
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I don't think it would have occurred to anyone that it might be satire had it not been elemtilas saying it. I'm fairly confident it wasn't intended seriously (although I'd still like confirmation from elemtilas on the post's intent).

I think that if someone had followed the announcement of Germany's decision with an actual homophobic statement, it would have been more obviously satire if someone else had then said something even more extreme and outrageous, instead of someone immediately chiming in with the old "what next? bestiality?" cliche and not qualifying their comment.

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Post by Reyzadren » 01 Jul 2017 02:17

Satire or not, I find it somewhat disheartening that people pounce on elemtilas just for expressing a different opinion, as if he must have the same thoughts as everyone else :/
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