Unless I've missed something, I haven't seen any "bashing" going on. I mean, we actually have to be able to name something and discuss something in order to actually comprehend that something. There are truths about SJWs' behaviour that bear revelation and examination. Discussing these behaviours honestly, critically but not disrespectfully is not the same thing as bashing them. If what we had perceived as truth turns out not to be so, then we can correct our perspective. It seems, on the contrary, that several of us have more or less the same experience with those behaviours. This leads me to think that we're witnessing the same phenomenon.Xonen wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017 01:12Yet here we are casually discussing "SJW"'s. Not that the type of person we seem to be bashing here doesn't exist;elemtilas wrote: ↑20 Nov 2017 19:37Right. While I agree about not telling people they can't use a slur in group, I think we (outsiders) are certainly justified in questioning the practice. Some slurs, I think, would be best left to the rubbish heap of history. We really need to rise above that kind of behaviour.
Here I think we need to make a very strong distinction! I don't quite know what you mean by "socially progressive ideas"; I've mentioned some of the things that I consider social progression. (There are others, to be sure, and we may even find common ground!) As I understand the term "socially progressive" I (in the Christian Midlands) have no reason to fear or loathe the term SJW. Also, respecting those people further to the Right and further to the Left from me but who are also in genuine concern for just and good "social progression", even if I don't agree with the particulars of one or more of their positions, need not fear or loathe that term. Only those people who, with a false sense of social justice, or who seek some cause to aggrandise their own sense of self worth, or who advertise their own moral superiority --- they are the ones who may rightly fear and loathe the moniker "SJW". And they should! They aren't helping anything or anyone. They certainly aren't helping the issues they claim to be so passionate about. They are nòt seeking social justice. They are seeking fame only.Xonen wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017 01:12quite a lot of people - on all sides of the political spectrum - just really seem to get off on anger and pretty much actively seek out excuses to lash out on someone. But the term SJW has strong connotations of being an insult for anyone with any socially progressive ideas,
Xonen wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017 01:12and specifically for those who've dared condemn targeted harassment campaigns against (primarily) women online. So yeah, rubbish heap of history, please.
Of course, maybe some people really think that condemning harassment constitutes "virtue signaling" - especially if it's a man defending a woman, since apparently men aren't supposed to be capable of genuine empathy towards women (or anyone?). Again, not that some people don't take this too far, rushing valiantly to the defense of what they perceive as poor oppressed minorities in situations where the minorities themselves aren't feeling all that oppressed... But this terminology is not limited to such situations; it can be, and quite often is, used to dismiss pretty much anyone the speaker happens to disagree with.
A part of the problem, I suppose, is that everyone's got a different idea of where the line goes between justified criticism and ridiculous overreaction. But maybe by not immediately going for the most rudely dismissive phrasing we could at least occasionally find some common ground?
Well I'll ask you, since I don't really know: is there an actual term for what these folks are getting up to? One that's not on its face so pejorative? We'll see if the shoe fits.