Esperanto-based conlangs

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Esperanto-based conlangs

Post by Severak » 15 Mar 2016 10:43

Are there any interesting Esperanto-based conlangs? I am currently creating one and I want to know which is possible to do.

I know about these Esperanto descendants listed in Wikipedia - Esperantido, Ido etc. But these have one mistake for me - they are too serious. I want to explore something more exotic.

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Re: Esperanto-based conlangs

Post by cntrational » 15 Mar 2016 11:29

Check out Poliespo, a Cherokee-based polysynthetic Esperanto created by a guy later convicted for murder.

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Post by alynnidalar » 15 Mar 2016 15:52

...huh. You weren't joking.

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Post by Severak » 15 Mar 2016 15:56

cntrational wrote:Check out Poliespo, a Cherokee-based polysynthetic Esperanto created by a guy later convicted for murder.
Yop. That one is exotic enough.

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Post by Salmoneus » 15 Mar 2016 18:10

I've toyed with a few esperanto-derived (as in, diachronically derived, rather than inspired by) conlangs, but only to the level of phonology and basic grammar, nothing substantial.

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Post by CMunk » 15 Mar 2016 19:01

Do you know about the prequel?

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Post by WeepingElf » 15 Mar 2016 20:58

CMunk wrote:Do you know about the prequel?

Arcaicam Esperantom (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcaicam_Esperantom)
Reminds me: when Geoff Eddy wrote about diachronic conlanging (on a web page which is now sadly gone) that it got him "lots of conlanging fun of the sort you just can't get from Esperanto", I thought, "Well, you can get that from Esperanto - by using it as a protolang for diachronic conlangs". I don't know any actual conlangs of this sort, but why shouldn't it be doable? One could even imagine an alternative future where some people adopt Esperanto as their community language, and centuries later - well, you get the picture.
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Post by Snïk » 15 Mar 2016 21:55

Reminds me: when Geoff Eddy wrote about diachronic conlanging (on a web page which is now sadly gone) that it got him "lots of conlanging fun of the sort you just can't get from Esperanto", I thought, "Well, you can get that from Esperanto - by using it as a protolang for diachronic conlangs". I don't know any actual conlangs of this sort, but why shouldn't it be doable? One could even imagine an alternative future where some people adopt Esperanto as their community language, and centuries later - well, you get the picture.


I had that idea once and that idea is not absurd, because Esperanto does have native speakers, its just very unlikely.

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Post by Ælfwine » 16 Mar 2016 06:01

Your best bet would probably be to research what the 'linguistic trends' are of native speakers, here. That can give you the best clues going forward.
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Re: Esperanto-based conlangs

Post by Severak » 16 Mar 2016 15:01

Ælfwine wrote:Your best bet would probably be to research what the 'linguistic trends' are of native speakers, here. That can give you the best clues going forward.
Good Idea.

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Re: Esperanto-based conlangs

Post by Salmoneus » 16 Mar 2016 22:51

WeepingElf wrote:
CMunk wrote:Do you know about the prequel?

Arcaicam Esperantom (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcaicam_Esperantom)
Reminds me: when Geoff Eddy wrote about diachronic conlanging (on a web page which is now sadly gone) that it got him "lots of conlanging fun of the sort you just can't get from Esperanto", I thought, "Well, you can get that from Esperanto - by using it as a protolang for diachronic conlangs". I don't know any actual conlangs of this sort, but why shouldn't it be doable? One could even imagine an alternative future where some people adopt Esperanto as their community language, and centuries later - well, you get the picture.
That's exactly why I was playing with them. In my SF conworld, the esperanto community grows, becomes geographically isolated, and in some cases is transplanted onto other planets.

I found a paternoster I made, incidentally, with fairly simple sound changes:
Padra indie, q’anasti cial,
Indó vie asti saupte bizon
U prazjid vie ve bizon
Vul vie fare bizon
Qio e cial, tsio sur ter ango.
Doude pa indie ciudauge.
Ka partoude pegi
Qio indí partó ea peg auni ango.
Ka engontukuda indí tant,
Sed liberude indí de maubó.

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Re: Esperanto-based conlangs

Post by Ketumak » 17 Mar 2016 20:15

Jeffrey Henning, who used to run Langmaker, came up with one called Sen:esepera (meaning "without hope", if I recall correctly from Langmaker). This is inspired by Esperanto rather than diachronically related to it and it aims for maximal simplicity.

See here:

http://www.datapacrat.com/True/LANG/MOD ... DEL5-1.HTM

There's a short article on it on the Interlingua Wikipedia.

https://ia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen%3Aesepera

At the bottom of thatarticle there's a link to an English text, but it's broken.
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