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Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 15 Jul 2016 13:27
by Davush
What type of words are likely to become grammaticalised into accusative markers?

I am trying to derive a particle which marks the accusative but I am not sure how natlangs have done this.

Thanks

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 15 Jul 2016 13:43
by Frislander
I'll bring up the Spanish example: in Spanish the dative preposition a is being grammaticalised into an accusative.

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 15 Jul 2016 18:37
by Curlyjimsam
Several languages have object markers derived from verbs meaning "take, seize". Another possible source is dative or allative marking (as in Spanish).

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 16 Jul 2016 12:51
by gach
The Permic accusative suffix (-√ęs in Komi Zyrian, -ez in Udmurt) originates from a 3rd person pronominal attached on more highly individuated objects for marking their definiteness. The 3rd person pronominal in question was likely a possessive suffix but using a demonstrative pronoun as a starting point should work equally well.

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 22 Jul 2016 06:34
by k1234567890y
It looks like a language can have a differential object marking first(proper nouns, definite nouns or animate nouns are more likely to have nomintive-accusative distinctions among nouns, and pronouns are much more likely to have nominative-accusative distinctions than all nouns.), then generalizes it to every noun that is a direct object...although this is not about what words may become accusative markers, this may also help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Different ... ct_marking

as for the origin of the accusative marker, what people have said above can be answers.

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 27 Jul 2016 02:37
by Linguifex
Someone on the ZBB once said (and I think TaylorS' Mekoshan did this, at least in one version of the language) that definiteness can turn into an accusative.

Re: Gaining an accusative marker?

Posted: 27 Jul 2016 06:29
by k1234567890y
Linguifex wrote:Someone on the ZBB once said (and I think TaylorS' Mekoshan did this, at least in one version of the language) that definiteness can turn into an accusative.
ok (:

I have read somewhere that a topic marker can also turn into a nominative marker in marked nominative languages; also, it is said that the nominative case of Proto-Indo-European also evolved from something similar.