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Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 08:38

Lets make Lets make a true collaborative conlang as a board.

It will be based off of votes of members who pm me. If they want to vote they have to pm me to be added to a roster. The one's who are on the roster will have their votes counted. Four other collaborative conlangers (who have registered with to me) will be invited to be board members and help with the counting of votes (if anyone joins).

People will begin with posting ideas on were the language should go. The top four ideas that get the most positive response will go to a vote. We will follow the steps of Mark Rosenfelder's language construction kit http://www.zompist.com/kit.html. The language should be easy to learn with complexities that make it a conlang worth learning.

The first step sounds.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 09:23

I don't really think this will work. You know the old saying, too many cooks...

First, what type of conlang are we making? Auxlang, Artlang, Englang? A priori or a posteriori? If the latter, then what sources? Should we worry about diachronics and make a whole family, or are we just gonna conjure one up from nothing?

I'll assume artlang, a priori, no diachronics. With this in mind:

Stops: /p t c k pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ/
Fricative: /f s ɕ ɬ h v z ʑ ɮ/
Nasal: /m n ɲ ŋ/
Approximant: /ɾ l ʎ j/
Vowel: /i e ɛ a o ɔ u/

Syllable structure is (S(A)|F(A)|N|A)V(C), with the additional restriction that /ŋ/ can only appear in the syllable coda, and /h/ can only appear in the onset. Overall, fairly conservative.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 09:29

A you haven't registered.
B vote. We have to vote on everything. Language is social, so make it in a social way.
flaud thinking and spelling deffinently but hey what can you do?
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 09:29

Language evolution is not democratic.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 09:33

society is and hey this could go briliantly or tragickly (on purpose)
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by jseamus » 28 Oct 2010 09:35

The possibilities are wide open right now, so I'm gonna post a few very different ones.

Phonology:

Minimalist Phonology: Just a few consonants (probably just 3-4 Places of articulation, 3-4 manners of articulation, voiced-voiceless distinction), 5 vowels or fewer.
Maximalist Phonology: This one is has moany more possibilities than the minimalist phonology. It can go for maximum vowels or maximum consonants, or both, or somewhere in between. Lots of places and manners of articulation for the consonants, lots of height, backness, and roundness distinctions for the vowels.
"Odd" Phonology: Just get whatever unusual or subjectively exotic consonants or vowels we want. Somewhere between minimalism and maximalism.
"Normal" Phonology: Try to go for an average number of the most common phonemes. Also somewhere between the extremes.

Really any of these is fine with me, though I prefer we have at least a few phonemes uncommon to IE langs.

Morphology:

I suggest we go for synthetic, specifically fusional (like the Romance languages, for reference). I haven't done enough of stuff like that and I think it would be really fun to try it out.

I'd like to avoid some common features of IE langs, like marked gender and number.

Syntax:

Dare I say erg/abs?

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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 09:36

Trying to give this thing too much structure is a surefire way to kill it in the womb.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 09:39

tisk tisk
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still no registration
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by jseamus » 28 Oct 2010 09:42

Pe King, is registration really necessary? Usually we just go with a show of hands in the thread.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 09:43

keeps it tidy
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 09:48

What's the purpose of this thread if we have to do everything through you?
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 09:59

I want to keep it so that important stuff doesn't get burried in votes, it can also keep it anomonous. lets wait a few hours for some people to join. We will be able to say this is our conlang. And the succesful conlangs had commitees. lojban for one. also I clearly am bad at conlangs. We all have good ideas.Lets mesh them and see what happens.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 10:04

I'd hardly call Lojban a success.

This board isn't that active. I'd worry about the opposite problem, actually. But more importantly before this thing can be successful it needs to live.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang.

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 10:16

I've heard of it havn't I?
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Re: The true collaborative conlang. retri start reading page

Post by Pe King » 28 Oct 2010 11:29

Ok we will still vote and an end that is published must be achieved. Ideas shall be posted for 2 weak periods. After the ideas period is closed 78 hours shall be given for a voting period. An ideas post must have relavance to the current subject. Please question the ideas be sure to mention what idea you are posting about. When the building blocks of our conlang are set vocabulary we can start translating and what not. Please do take the time to make this conlang.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang. read page 2

Post by Micamo » 28 Oct 2010 11:51

We're going this for fun, aren't we? So why does a timetable have to be designed? Furthermore you're absolutely insane if you think any of us could conlang on a schedule by ourselves, let alone trying to work with others.
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Re: The true collaborative conlang. read page 2

Post by MrKrov » 28 Oct 2010 15:30

I don't see this ending well.

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Re: The true collaborative conlang. read page 2

Post by jseamus » 28 Oct 2010 20:50

Wait, are we trying to make an auxlang?
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Re: The true collaborative conlang. read page 2

Post by Thakowsaizmu » 28 Oct 2010 21:13

Ah, this again. Such a fun idea that time and time again never gets off the ground. Did the phonology ever get finalized for the last one on the olde board? I don't think it did, and there were what, 19 pages?

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Re: The true collaborative conlang. read page 2

Post by Khemehekis » 28 Oct 2010 21:20

Pe King wrote:The first step sounds.
Wait, before we start designing the actual language, shouldn't we establish some things about the people who speak the language? Like, are they human, humanoid, cetacean, cephalopod, parrot, elephant, etheric, or sapient plants? Is their technology sophisticated enough to have words for "cellphone", "PMP" and "ansible" or will it be limited to words like "axe", "adze", "club" and "burin"? Or they on Earth, are they extraterrestrials with no contact with Terrans, or are they extraterrestrials who have made contact with us (but the government is suppressing it)? What do they wear? What foods do they eat? What sports do they play? Is their society democratic and egalitarian or is it hierarchical and duty-bound? We need to know stuff like that first.
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