Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

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Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

Post by greatbuddha » 16 Jan 2014 01:59

After reading "The navajo verb", I've been inspired to create a conlang with verbs as deeply complex as those of Navajo.
Stem set: dheu
Momentous Continuous
Pr dheu dheeh
Pa dhioq dhieh
F dhies dheez
S dhiol dhieh
St - dhien

Derived verbal themes
"to climb" "to hang onto" "to set hanging"
dheu momentous stem dheeh continuous stem either stem dheu/dheeh
0 classifier a classifier e classifier
k-past k-past k-past
t-future 0 future t/h future
no prefixes outer prefix: txe outer prefixes: none
inner prefix: x
Subject prefixes
1s: o 1pe: um 1pi: ał
2: f/u*
3s: 0* 3p: i*
3prs: q* 3prp: iz'*
3os: á 3op: áz
*prefixes marked with an asterisk trigger vowel lengthening in an outer prefix
Application of subject prefixes
The verb "to climb" is (relatively) very simple to conjugate, as it lacks any prefixes and has a 0 classifier, the subject prefixes can be added directly before the stem no fuss.
wodheu: I climb wumdheuwa: we(e) climb yełdheu: we(e) climb
hudheu: you climb hudheuwa: y'all climb
hïdheu: he/she climbs hidheuwa: they climb
hïqdheu: he/she right here climbs hiz'dheuwa: they right here climb
yádheu: he/she over there climbs yázdheuwa: they over there climb

Three things are immediately apparent
-all of the subject prefixes have had initial consonants added to them
-some of the prefixes have changed form
-plural forms have the suffix -wa.

The added consonants are called peg consonants. They are added to the subject prefix when no other prefixes precede them. The consonant h is added to subject prefixes marked with a *.
The consonant y is added the prefixes á, áz, and ał (which changes to yeł when the y is added)
The consonant w is added to the prefixes o and um
The subject prefixes 0 and q, which lacked vowels, had the peg hï added to them.

Next, we have the verb "to hang onto", which is a bit more complicated.
First off, the classifier a contracts with the subject prefixes.
oa> wa uma>uma ała>ała
*f/u>*wa
a>ha ia>ya
aq>haq iaz'>yaz'
áa> áya áaz> áyaz

Second, we have an outer prefix, txë. This outer prefix becomes txëë before subject prefixes marked with a *

With both rules in mind, we get
txëwadheeh: I hang onto txëumadheehwa: we (e) hang onto txëiładheehwa: we (i) hang onto
txëëwadheeh: you hang onto txëëdheehwa: y'all hang onto
txëëhadheeh: he/she hangs onto txëëyadheehwa: they hang onto
txëëhaqdheeh: he/she right her hangs onto txëëyaz'dheehwa: they right here hang onto
txëiyadheeh: he/she over there hangs onto txëiyazdheeehwa: they over there hang onto.
notice that txëała contracts to txëiła and txëáya and txëáyaz contract to txëiya and txëiyaz, respectively.
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Re: Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

Post by Micamo » 16 Jan 2014 05:23

What does "txë" actually mean or do? Is it thematic? If so, what's its historical meaning?

Why do you have separate plural subject markers, but then use a plural suffix instead? Does this plural suffix have other uses (like with plural objects)? I'm surprised you went with a plural suffix instead of modeling something off of the Athabaskan distributive-iterative prefix(es). Was there any particular reason for this?
My pronouns are <xe> [ziː] / <xym> [zɪm] / <xys> [zɪz]

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Re: Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

Post by roninbodhisattva » 16 Jan 2014 08:19

It'd be nice to see a bit of a more systematic overview of what's going on.

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Re: Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

Post by thetha » 16 Jan 2014 16:09

Interesting idea! [:)] However, this post does not come off like you have put a lot of time into this. It is definitely pretty hard to read. I'd like to learn more about how this works, because without many details this looks almost like a relex.

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Re: Attempt at athabaskan-esque verbal system.

Post by greatbuddha » 16 Jan 2014 17:54

txë is a verbal prefix indicating that the action is done with the entire body. It obligatorily gives the verb it is used upon an "a" classifier. The meaning of "txë-a-dheeh" is a bit more nuanced than the English translation, it indicates that whatever is holding on is holding on securely, with both arms and legs. If swapped with the verbal prefix "gi" , which indicates that the action of the verb is being carried out incompletely or difficultly, "giwadheeh" would mean "I am hanging off a ledge"(about to fall off, only by the tips of my fingers.)
The suffix "wa" is only used for human plural subjects. It is a remnant of an earlier noun classifier system, and is used for both plural human subjects and objects.
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