Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

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Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by greatbuddha » 23 Jan 2014 19:39

A question to conlangers good at historical linguistics:

How could a language with a sound inventory as small as Hawaiian (k, p, l, m, n, h, w, ʔ, a, i, u, e, o) become a language with a massive sound inventory like Ubykh or !kung?

Describe the sound changes you think would take place
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by sangi39 » 23 Jan 2014 20:01

greatbuddha wrote:A question to conlangers good at historical linguistics:

How could a language with a sound inventory as small as Hawaiian (k, p, l, m, n, h, w, ʔ, a, i, u, e, o) become a language with a massive sound inventory like Ubykh or !kung?

Describe the sound changes you think would take place
Some combination of vowel syncope to increase consonant clusters, and secondary articulation of consonants resulting from labialisation and palatalisation before back and front vowels respectively.

Oh, and resulting geminate consonants could become simple voiceless consonants while the original short ones could become voiced.

As for !Kung, there's no accepted origin for click consonants, so, I don't know [:P]
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by Thakowsaizmu » 23 Jan 2014 20:22

sangi39 wrote: As for !Kung, there's no accepted origin for click consonants, so, I don't know [:P]
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by k1234567890y » 24 Jan 2014 00:51

sangi39 wrote:
greatbuddha wrote:A question to conlangers good at historical linguistics:

How could a language with a sound inventory as small as Hawaiian (k, p, l, m, n, h, w, ʔ, a, i, u, e, o) become a language with a massive sound inventory like Ubykh or !kung?

Describe the sound changes you think would take place
Some combination of vowel syncope to increase consonant clusters, and secondary articulation of consonants resulting from labialisation and palatalisation before back and front vowels respectively.

Oh, and resulting geminate consonants could become simple voiceless consonants while the original short ones could become voiced.

As for !Kung, there's no accepted origin for click consonants, so, I don't know [:P]
loss of backness of vowel can also make consonants labialized and palatalized(e.g. /Co/ > /Cʷa/;/Cu/ > /Cʷə/;/Ce/ > /Cʲa/;/Ci/ > /Cʲə/?), and thus can gradually further increase the amount of consonants?

also, it seems that a massive amount of borrowing may also gradually increase the amount of phoneme(including consonant and vowel)?
Edit: EDIT: I found this to support my thought on labialization and palatalization, however, it seems that my previous way to describe was wrong(which would better be described as "palatalization/labialization + neutralization of vowels"): http://books.google.com.tw/books?id=71K ... 22&f=false
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by greatbuddha » 24 Jan 2014 01:51

A question: Where do uvular consonants come from if they weren't there before?
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by QuantumWraith » 24 Jan 2014 05:02

Those I've heard of: k', kw, kV+back or V+backk
Those I suppose could be likely but have not heard of: ʔk, kʕ, kː
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Post by anacharis » 24 Jan 2014 13:45

/r/, if you're in Western Europe...
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by eldin raigmore » 20 Mar 2014 18:17

sangi39 wrote:
greatbuddha wrote:How could a language with a sound inventory as small as Hawaiian (k, p, l, m, n, h, w, ʔ, a, i, u, e, o) become a language with a massive sound inventory like Ubykh or !kung?
As for !Kung, there's no accepted origin for click consonants, so, I don't know.
The entire speech community could just pick up and move to the click belt??
(or for Ubykh, they could all move to the Caucasus?)
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Re: Sound change challenge: Hawaiian to Ubykh

Post by Linguifex » 22 May 2014 04:52

QuantumWraith wrote:Those I've heard of: k', kw, kV+back or V+backk
Those I suppose could be likely but have not heard of: ʔk, kʕ, kː
Depending upon your opinions of Proto-Semitic, *kʼ > *kˤ > q would seem plausible enough.
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