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Pancake (working title) - Collaborative conlang

Posted: 05 Oct 2014 00:19
by Segano
Hey guys,

I apologize if this topic isn't supposed to be posted in this board, but it seemed like the right one. If it's not, please move it to the appropriate board.

One thing I've always found... unfortunate is the fact that I couldn't speak my conlangs with anyone. One might argue that using your conlang isn't important, having fun creating it is. True. But think about it: wouldn't it be cool to be able to speak your language with other people? That's why I'd like to propose to create a conlang (and perhaps even a conworld/concountry) with a few people (preferably 3-7 people, otherwise things would get really messy). We could communicate on Skype and would create our own language from scratch. I think it'd be a great learning experience for us all and we would definitely benefit from each other's personal experiences. After a few months (or perhaps even a few weeks) we could start using our language and teach it to others.

Perhaps it seems far-fetched, but I really think this could work. Please let me know what you think and if you're interested.

Segano

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 05 Oct 2014 00:30
by Ahzoh
This is what they call "collaborative conlanging" and there are some many threads on collablangs, but no one has tried to speak them...

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 05 Oct 2014 17:25
by Segano
Yeah, I've come across a topic on this forum, but from what I could see they didn't come very far (which is sad). It'd definitely be a very interesting experience, especially if it does succeed and we could actually use it.

But I'm sure I'm being way too optimistic here. :P

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 07 Oct 2014 12:16
by Jarhead
A guess a big problem is that everyone might enjoy making decisions on word order and semantics, but everybody hates sitting down and write the vocabulary. That might be a reason why collaborative conlangs often don't go very far.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 08 Oct 2014 01:49
by Esmelthien
Maybe something like a lexicon building thread except for just that one 'lang could be used?

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 08 Oct 2014 02:49
by Squall
Jarhead wrote:A guess a big problem is that everyone might enjoy making decisions on word order and semantics,
In that case, each one will propose some features. When someone disagree with a feature or want to use another feature instead, you can vote for the preferred alternatives.
Jarhead wrote:but everybody hates sitting down and write the vocabulary.
You can choose a natlang to get the vocabulary from. It cannot be a language that is spoken by one of the creators.

The first step is the phonology and the orthography.
The next step will be the grammar.

There is a list in another thread of things to develop when creating a conlang.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 18:25
by Segano
Thanks for the replies, everyone. :)
Jarhead wrote:A guess a big problem is that everyone might enjoy making decisions on word order and semantics, but everybody hates sitting down and write the vocabulary. That might be a reason why collaborative conlangs often don't go very far.
I'm actually quite fond of creating vocabulary, so that shouldn't be that much of a problem. As for making decisions, a democratic system would indeed be the best way to go.
Esmelthien wrote:Maybe something like a lexicon building thread except for just that one 'lang could be used?
As in creating a lexicon building thread specifically for 'the conlang'?
Squall wrote:You can choose a natlang to get the vocabulary from. It cannot be a language that is spoken by one of the creators.
I think that's a great idea. :)

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 19:05
by Serena
I really would like to see this project going further, but I have to say that it will be extremely difficult. In my opinion, if we continue this, we should work like a parliament:
  • All the currently known information about the language is stored somewhere we can access (like a wiki on wikia).
  • Every member is entitled with proposing "laws", which the group will vote on after a brief discussion.
  • Before voting, amendments can be proposed.
  • If the vote passes, the "law" is applied.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 19:09
by Segano
Thanks for your reply. :)
Serena wrote:I really would like to see this project going further, but I have to say that it will be extremely difficult.
Yeah, for that reason it might be better to stick to an existing language family (as in Romance, Germanic, Celtic, etc.), unless of course it's decided otherwise. It's still going to be extremely difficult, I agree, but it'd probably make things a little easier.
Serena wrote:In my opinion, if we continue this, we should work like a parliament:
  • All the currently known information about the language is stored somewhere we can access (like a wiki on wikia).
  • Every member is entitled with proposing "laws", which the group will vote on after a brief discussion.
  • Before voting, amendments can be proposed.
  • If the vote passes, the "law" is applied.
I completely agree. :)

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 19:19
by Serena
Since you are the creator of the thread, you decide the workflow. As for the language, I would suggest this basic theme:
  • Semitic-like phonology, but with more vowels.
  • Fusional grammar, similarly to latin or greek.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 20:27
by Segano
Semitic-like phonology, but with more vowels.
Sounds good to me. :) Are you referring to any Semitic language in particular or just Semitic languages in general?
Fusional grammar, similarly to latin or greek.
As in cases and genders? Good idea. =)

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 21:21
by k1234567890y
probably we need to also make some words that are not easily translated into English.

Also, what kind of beings speak this language? will it be a human language?

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 21:26
by Segano
k1234567890y wrote:probably we need to also make some words that are not easily translated into English.

Also, what kind of beings speak this language? will it be a human language?
Yeah, I agree. :) I personally don't have a preference, however it would probably be much easier to create (and learn) a human language than it would be to create an alien language. But then again, I've never created a non-human language before.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 21:35
by k1234567890y
Segano wrote:
k1234567890y wrote:probably we need to also make some words that are not easily translated into English.

Also, what kind of beings speak this language? will it be a human language?
Yeah, I agree. :) I personally don't have a preference, however it would probably be much easier to create (and learn) a human language than it would be to create an alien language. But then again, I've never created a non-human language before.
ok :) we can just create a human language, however, if we want to use gender, what kind of gender systems should we use? a masculine/feminine-based one or an animacy-based one? anyone has ideas?

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 09 Oct 2014 21:51
by Serena
Definitively a human language.
k1234567890y wrote:ok :) we can just create a human language, however, if we want to use gender, what kind of gender systems should we use? a masculine/feminine-based one or an animacy-based one? anyone has ideas?
A masculine-feminine-neuter based. It sounds boring if you speak a romance language, but actually you can be quite creative using genders. Animacy is too mainstream, imho.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 10 Oct 2014 02:04
by Esmelthien
Serena wrote:Semitic-like phonology, but with more vowels.
I would enjoy Hebrew with Romanian vowels a lot, maybe with an added k/q and x/X contrast.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 10 Oct 2014 04:27
by Squall
Let's start with the phonology.
My votes are:
-At least 4 vowels and at most 8 vowels.
-No long vowels, unless they are /uw/ or /wu/ (instead of /u:/), /aa/ (instead of /a:/)
-In order to many people enjoy the language, I prefer avoiding an excessive number of rare phonemes.


Romanian vowels and the proposed orthography:
/i ɨ u e̞ ə o̞ ä/ <i î u e â o a> (Can you type î and â? I cannot type ă.)

Wikipedia shows Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew. There is also Proto-Semitic.

Hebrew sounds more beautiful than Arabic. [:D]


As for the lexicon, what about Malay or Swahili?

If we use the lexicon of a language that does not have genders, someone will have to assign random genders to each noun.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 10 Oct 2014 10:08
by Segano
-At least 4 vowels and at most 8 vowels.
-No long vowels, unless they are /uw/ or /wu/ (instead of /u:/), /aa/ (instead of /a:/)
-In order to many people enjoy the language, I prefer avoiding an excessive number of rare phonemes.
I agree. :)
/i ɨ u e̞ ə o̞ ä/ <i î u e â o a> (Can you type î and â? I cannot type ă.)
In Windows you can just add a Romanian keyboard layout like this: http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/258824 In Linux you'd need a compose key: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
/i ɨ u e̞ ə o̞ ä/ <i î u e ă o a>
As for the lexicon, what about Malay or Swahili?
Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with either language, but I'm not sure how we would combine Semitic, Eastern Romance and Austronesian/Bantu languages.

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 10 Oct 2014 14:13
by Iyionaku
I'd propose one more vowel, so it's not originally Romanian.

Maybe /y/?

Re: Proposing to create a conlang with multiple people

Posted: 10 Oct 2014 18:06
by k1234567890y
if we want to use a priori words, we probably can use some on-line word generators, how do you think?