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Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Probably the first Katuic conlang)

Posted: 03 Apr 2015 20:04
by opipik
So I'm creating a scratchpad.
Project Kurčatovium AKA Proto-Kuruk

1. Phonology

/p pʰ b b̤ t tʰ d d̤ ʈ ʈʰ ɖ ɖ̤ c cʰ ɟ ɟ̤ k kʷ kʷʰ kʰ ɡ ɡʷ ɡ̤ ɡ̤ʷ q qʰ ɢ ɢ̤ ʔ ʔʷ~ʔŭ̯ ʔʰ ʔʲ~ʔə̯̆j/ p ph b ḅ t th d ḍ t́ t́h d́ ḍ́ ť ťh ď ḍ̌ k kw kwh kh g gw ġ ġw q qh ƣ ƣ̇ ɂ ɂw ɂh ɂ̌
/m m̥ m̤ n n̥ n̤ ɳ ɳ̊ ɳ̤ ɲ ɲ̊ ɲ̤ ŋ ŋ̊ ŋ̤ ɴ ɴ̥ ɴ̤ ʔ͡n~ʔ̃/ m hm ṃ n hn ṇ ǹ hǹ ṇ̀ ŋ hŋ ŋ̇ ŋ̀ hŋ̀ ŋ̏ ɂ̃
/ʙ r ɾ ɽ ʀ/ ḇ r ȑ ṛ ṝ
/ɸ β̞ f v θ ð s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x ɣ χ ʁ ɦ/ f̰ ṽ f v θ ð s z š ž ś ź x v̥ ẍ v̈ h
/ʦ ʦʰ ʣ ʣ̤ ʈ͡ʂ ʈʂʰ ɖ͡ʐ ɖ͡ʐ̤ ʨ ʨʰ ʥ ʥ̤/ ts tsh ʒ ƹ č čh ǯ ƹ̌
/ŋ͡m/ ŋm
/ʋ ɹ ɻ j ɬ l ɭ ʎ ʎ̥ ʎ̤ ʟ ʟ̥ ʟ̥ʰ ʟ̤/ v̌ ŕ ṛ́ j ł l ḷ ľ ḷ̌ ḽ ł̭ ł̭h ļ
/ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ ʛ/ ḃ ḋ ď̇ ǵ ĝ

/i ʉ u ɛ̝ ə ɵ ɤ ɔ̝ a ɒ/ i ʉ u e ə ɵ ɵ̈ o a å
̯/iː uː ɛ̝ː ɔ̝ː aː/ í ú é ó á
/ʮ ɿ ʅ r̩ n̩ ŋ̩ m̩/ ü ʉ̈ ɨ̈ ŕ ń ŋ́ ḿ

That's all.

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 04 Apr 2015 06:36
by kanejam
Background? Spoken by humans?

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 04 Apr 2015 11:07
by opipik
2. Backstory

You know Teles, I hope.
So this is made to be a proto-language for this small piece of land:
Image

Spoken by humans?
Of course it is!

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 04 Apr 2015 11:50
by DesEsseintes
/... k kʷ kʰ ɡ ɡʷ ɡ̤ .../

Why are there no /kʷʰ ɡ̤ʷ/?

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Project Moldavite)

Posted: 12 Apr 2015 19:58
by opipik
Project Moldavite

Proto-Moldavite

1. Phonology

/m n ɳʲ ŋ/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ʈʲ ʈʲʰ ɖʲ k kʰ/
/β̞ s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ ʦ ʣ ʈʂ ɖʐ ʨ ʥ x ɦ/
/r j l ɭʲ ʟ ʟ̥ w/

/i a u ə ɔ ɛ/

2. Numbers

/kʰai/ 1
/ʈʲʰiɛ/ 2
/ʑaɭʲə/ 3
/jəʦʰəŋ/ 4
/ʈʲiap/ 5
/puɖʲu/ 6
/β̞ak/ 7
/ɳʲiɛ/ 8
/kʰəʨʰiɛ/ 9
/waɳʲə/ 10
/waɳʲkʰai/ 11
/waɳʲʈʲʰiɛ/ 12
/waɳʲʐaɭʲə/ 13
/waɳʲəʦʰəŋ/ 14
/waɳʲʈʲiap/ 15
/waɳʲpuɖʲu/ 16
/waɳʲβ̞ak/ 17
/waɳʲiɛ/ 18
/waɳʲkʰəʨʰiɛ/19
/ʈʲəʈʂʰiɛ/ 20

3. Some basic words

/ɳʲakə/ mother
/ɕkʰiɛkə/ father
/nɔ.ɕkʰɔ/ to be
/-ʂʈʲi/ -PST
/-stʰiɛ/ -FUT
/ɕkʰa.ʂʈʲʰə/ to do
/katʰiɛɭʲaŋ/ to make
/pukəʨʰiɛ kawə/ Hello
/maɳʲə/ I
/kawə/ you
/ɕkʰɔ.ɕʨʰiɛ/ he
/ɕkʰɔ.ɕʨʰiɛ.ŋa/ she
/-β̞a/ -DAT
/-ʂpʰi/ -ACC
/-ja/ -GEN
/-əi/ -VOC

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Tone!)

Posted: 15 Apr 2015 21:22
by opipik
Project Moldavite
2. Allophony and tone

In Proto-Moldavite, there's no other allophony than the cluster one - which is simple:
In consonant clusters, there is only one phoneme /ʃ/, which is realized as [ʂ] before retroflex consonants, and as [ɕ] before velar consonants.
No other allophony is present.

Tone:
There are 4 phonemic tones (I added them today), which are:
/a˥ a˩ a˩˥ a˥˩/.

The words and dumbers are now:
/kʰai/ 1
/ʈʲʰiɛ˥/ 2
/ʑa˥ɭʲə/ 3
/jəʦʰəŋ/ 4
/ʈʲiap˩˥/ 5
/pu˥ɖʲu˥˩/ 6
/β̞ak/ 7
/ɳʲiɛ˥/ 8
/kʰəʨʰiɛ˥/ 9
/wa˥ɳʲə/ 10
/waɳʲ˥kʰai/ 11
/waɳʲ˥ʈʲʰiɛ˥/ 12
/waɳʲ˥ʐa˥ɭʲə/ 13
/wa˥ɳʲəʦʰəŋ/ 14
/waɳʲ˥ʈʲiap˥˩/ 15
/waɳʲ˥puɖʲu˥˩/ 16
/waɳʲ˥β̞ak/ 17
/wa˥ɳʲiɛ˥/ 18
/waɳʲ˥kʰəʨʰiɛ˥˩/19
/ʈʲəʈʂʰiɛ˥˩/ 20

/ɳʲa˥kə/ mother
/ɕkʰiɛ˥kə/ father
/nɔ.ɕkʰɔ˥/ to be
/-ʂʈʲi/ -PST
/-stʰiɛ/ -FUT
/ɕkʰa˩.ʂʈʲʰə/ to do
/ka˩tʰiɛ˥ɭʲaŋ˥˩/ to make
/pu˥kəʨʰiɛ˥˩ ka˥wə/ Hello
/ma˩ɳʲə/ I
/ka˥wə/ you
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩.pu˥/ it
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩/ he
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩˥.ŋa˥˩/ she
/-β̞a/ -DAT
/-ʂpʰi/ -ACC
/-ja/ -GEN
/-əi/ -VOC

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 21 Apr 2015 20:27
by opipik
WARNING: This post is out-of-date

A descendant of Proto-Moldavite, Proto-Northeastern-Moldavite:

Phonology:

/m n ɲ~ȵ ŋ/
/p pʰ b t tʰ d c cʰ ɟ k kʰ/
/ʋ͜ɹ s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ ʦ ʣ ʈʂ ɖʐ ʨ ʥ x h ɦ/
/ɾ j l ʎ ɡ͡ʟ k͜ʟ̊ w ʍ/

/i a~ä~ɑ u ə ɨ~ɯ̽ ɔ~o ɛ~e/

/a a˥ a˩ a˩˥ a˥˩/

Numbers and some basic vocabulary AKA How to not get lost in the land of PNM speakers

/kʰäɯ̽/ 1
/cʰiɛ˥/ 2
/ʑa˥ʎə/ 3
/jəʦʰəŋ/ 4
/ciap˩˥/ 5
/pu˥ɟu˥˩/ 6
/ʋ͡ɹak/ 7
/ɲiɛ˥/ 8
/kʰəʨʰiɛ˥/ 9
/wa˥ɲə/ 10
/waŋʲ˥kʰai/ 11
/waɲ˥cʰiɛ˥/ 12
/waȵ˥ʑa˥ʎə/ 13
/wa˥ɲəʦʰəŋ/ 14
/waɲ˥ciap˥˩/ 15
/waɲ˥puɟu˥˩/ 16
/waɲ˥ʋ͡ɹak/ 17
/wa˥ɲiɛ˥/ 18
/waŋʲ˥kʰəʨʰiɛ˥˩/ 19
/cəʈʂʰiɛ˥˩/ 20

/ɲa˥kə/ mother
/ɕkʰiɛ˥kə/ father
/no.ɕkʰo˥/ to be
/-çci/ -PST
/-çcʰiɛ/ -FUT
/ɕkʰa˩.çcʰə/ to do
/ka˩tʰiɛ˥ʎaŋ˥˩/ to make
/pu˥kəʨʰiɛ˥˩ ka˥wə/ Hello
/ma˩ɲə/ I
/ka˥wə/ you
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩.pʰɨ˥/ it
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩/ he
/ɕkʰɔ˥.ɕʨʰiɛ˩˥.ŋa˥˩/ she
/-k͜ʟ̊a/ -DAT
/-ʂpʰi/ -ACC
/-ja/ -GEN
/-əi̽~ɡ͡ʟəi̽/ -VOC

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 14 Jun 2015 21:50
by opipik
Sound changes from Proto-Kangthang to Proto-Pyrthei
Spoiler:
˥˩/ɻ/_
˩˥/ʔ/_
ȴ/ʧ/_
iɛ/\\/_
t͡sʰ/ʦ/_
[ʂɕ]/ʃ/_
ʟ/kʰ/_
Nɻ/̃ɻ/_
t͡ʃʰ/ʧ/_
ʐ/ɻ/_
ʑ/j/_
ɛ/e/_
ɔ/o/_
ə/ɘ/_
d͡z/ʦ/_
d͡j/ʤ/_
dɻ/ʤ/_
s/β̞/_ũ
β̞/f/_
ȵ/ɲ/_
ȶ/kj/_
d̂/gj/_
ȶʰ/kʰj/_
w/ʋ/_
Nʔ/̃ʔ/_
Spoiler:
/na t͡sʰɔ˩˥ ȴa˥˩kiɛ na hu˩˥
mɔ˩˥lu˩˥hiŋ
diɛ˩ʂiɛ˩˥sum
niɛn˥t͡ɕɛm˩˥
piɛ˩ʟin˥˩
tʰa˥jiɛn˩t͡sʰiɛn˥˩
ə˩˥.aŋ˩˥.iŋ˩di
a˥ʑɔŋ˥˩d͡zɛ˥wu˥
d͡ʑiɛn˩˥ȴim˥˩
β̞iɛm˩d͡ʑɔ˥
suŋ˥˩ȶaŋ˩˥
dʐun˥˩ȵiɛtʰiɛ˥˩
ɬiɛ˥˩tʰaŋʂɛŋ˩
bəsumkʰa˥˩ɬu
biɛxiɛ˥˩
pɔm˩˥ȵiɛ˩
kiɛŋ˥ȴuŋ˥˩hiɛŋ˩
ȶəŋɔn˥˩t͡ɕʰɛmɛn˥˩
ʟiŋ˥t͡sʰɔŋ˥˩kiɛm
ʑa˥ȶʰəŋ˥wɔŋ˩˥tɔ
t͡ɕiɛ˥

thus yield:

na ʦoʔ kaɻʧei na huʔ
moʔluʔhiŋ
dei˩ʃeiʔsum
nein˥t͡ʃẽʔ
pei˩kʰĩɻ
tʰa˥jein˩ʦeĩɻ
ɘʔ.ãʔ.iŋ˩di
a˥jõɻʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤeĩʔʧĩɻ
feim˩ʤo˥
sũɻkjãʔ
ʤũɻɲeitʰeiɻ
ɬeiɻtʰaŋʃeŋ˩
bɘsumkʰaɻɬu
beixeiɻ
põʔɲei˩
keiŋ˥ʧũɻheiŋ˩
kjɘŋõɻʧemẽɻ
kʰiŋ˥ʦõɻkeim
ja˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋõʔto
t͡ʃei˥

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 14 Jun 2015 21:53
by qwed117
Just a question, have you planned out your spread from the tiny peninsula? Do you have some maps, or GIF's

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 15 Jun 2015 08:52
by opipik
Just a question, have you planned out your spread from the tiny peninsula?
Which one?

Sound changes from Proto-Pyrthei to Proto-Kawa
Spoiler:
̃//_
Vʔ/V̰/_
/˥/VCV_
/˩/W_DV
˥˩/˩/_
e/ɛ/_
ɛi/e/_
H/X/_˩
X/H/_˥
ɻ/:/_
t͡ʃ/ʧ/_
u/fɑ/_C
i/ʃɑ/_A
sf/ʦ/_
Spoiler:
na ʦoʔ kaɻʧei na huʔ
moʔluʔhiŋ
dei˩ʃeiʔsum
nein˥t͡ʃẽʔ
pei˩kʰĩɻ
tʰa˥jein˩ʦeĩɻ
ɘʔ.ãʔ.iŋ˩di
a˥jõɻʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤeĩʔʧĩɻ
feim˩ʤo˥
sũɻkjãʔ
ʤũɻɲeitʰeiɻ
ɬeiɻtʰaŋʃeŋ˩
bɘsumkʰaɻɬu
beixeiɻ
põʔɲei˩
keiŋ˥ʧũɻheiŋ˩
kjɘŋõɻʧemẽɻ
kʰiŋ˥ʦõɻkeim
ja˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋõʔto
bɘ˩sũɻ
ʧei˥

yields:

na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘʔ.a̰.iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
ʧe˥
Spoiler:
V=aeiouḛ
L=āēīōū
C=ptckqbdgmnlrhsʃʧʦʋjf
F=ie
B=ou
Z=bdg
N=mnŋ
E=ɻʔ
A=jrɣl
D=sʃʧʦʋjf
W=uɛaḛ
U=mʔ̰nːŋ˥˩
H=iueoɛɔɘ
X=eoɛɔaɑɜ

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 15 Jun 2015 20:40
by qwed117
opipik wrote:
Just a question, have you planned out your spread from the tiny peninsula?
Which one?

Sound changes from Proto-Pyrthei to Proto-Kawa
Spoiler:
̃//_
Vʔ/V̰/_
/˥/VCV_
/˩/W_DV
˥˩/˩/_
e/ɛ/_
ɛi/e/_
H/X/_˩
X/H/_˥
ɻ/:/_
t͡ʃ/ʧ/_
u/fɑ/_C
i/ʃɑ/_A
sf/ʦ/_
Spoiler:
na ʦoʔ kaɻʧei na huʔ
moʔluʔhiŋ
dei˩ʃeiʔsum
nein˥t͡ʃẽʔ
pei˩kʰĩɻ
tʰa˥jein˩ʦeĩɻ
ɘʔ.ãʔ.iŋ˩di
a˥jõɻʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤeĩʔʧĩɻ
feim˩ʤo˥
sũɻkjãʔ
ʤũɻɲeitʰeiɻ
ɬeiɻtʰaŋʃeŋ˩
bɘsumkʰaɻɬu
beixeiɻ
põʔɲei˩
keiŋ˥ʧũɻheiŋ˩
kjɘŋõɻʧemẽɻ
kʰiŋ˥ʦõɻkeim
ja˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋõʔto
bɘ˩sũɻ

yields:

na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘʔ.a̰.iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
Spoiler:
V=aeiouḛ
L=āēīōū
C=ptckqbdgmnlrhsʃʧʦʋjf
F=ie
B=ou
Z=bdg
N=mnŋ
E=ɻʔ
A=jrɣl
D=sʃʧʦʋjf
W=uɛaḛ
U=mʔ̰nːŋ˥˩
H=iueoɛɔɘ
X=eoɛɔaɑɜ
From your urheimat.

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 15 Jun 2015 20:47
by opipik
qwed117 wrote:
opipik wrote:
Just a question, have you planned out your spread from the tiny peninsula?
Which one?

Sound changes from Proto-Pyrthei to Proto-Kawa
Spoiler:
̃//_
Vʔ/V̰/_
/˥/VCV_
/˩/W_DV
˥˩/˩/_
e/ɛ/_
ɛi/e/_
H/X/_˩
X/H/_˥
ɻ/:/_
t͡ʃ/ʧ/_
u/fɑ/_C
i/ʃɑ/_A
sf/ʦ/_
Spoiler:
na ʦoʔ kaɻʧei na huʔ
moʔluʔhiŋ
dei˩ʃeiʔsum
nein˥t͡ʃẽʔ
pei˩kʰĩɻ
tʰa˥jein˩ʦeĩɻ
ɘʔ.ãʔ.iŋ˩di
a˥jõɻʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤeĩʔʧĩɻ
feim˩ʤo˥
sũɻkjãʔ
ʤũɻɲeitʰeiɻ
ɬeiɻtʰaŋʃeŋ˩
bɘsumkʰaɻɬu
beixeiɻ
põʔɲei˩
keiŋ˥ʧũɻheiŋ˩
kjɘŋõɻʧemẽɻ
kʰiŋ˥ʦõɻkeim
ja˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋõʔto
bɘ˩sũɻ

yields:

na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘʔ.a̰.iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
Spoiler:
V=aeiouḛ
L=āēīōū
C=ptckqbdgmnlrhsʃʧʦʋjf
F=ie
B=ou
Z=bdg
N=mnŋ
E=ɻʔ
A=jrɣl
D=sʃʧʦʋjf
W=uɛaḛ
U=mʔ̰nːŋ˥˩
H=iueoɛɔɘ
X=eoɛɔaɑɜ
From your urheimat.
From the Kangthang, Kuruk, or that collaborative South Akuriga one?

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 15 Jun 2015 20:54
by qwed117
opipik wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
opipik wrote:
Just a question, have you planned out your spread from the tiny peninsula?
Which one?

Sound changes from Proto-Pyrthei to Proto-Kawa
Spoiler:
̃//_
Vʔ/V̰/_
/˥/VCV_
/˩/W_DV
˥˩/˩/_
e/ɛ/_
ɛi/e/_
H/X/_˩
X/H/_˥
ɻ/:/_
t͡ʃ/ʧ/_
u/fɑ/_C
i/ʃɑ/_A
sf/ʦ/_
Spoiler:
na ʦoʔ kaɻʧei na huʔ
moʔluʔhiŋ
dei˩ʃeiʔsum
nein˥t͡ʃẽʔ
pei˩kʰĩɻ
tʰa˥jein˩ʦeĩɻ
ɘʔ.ãʔ.iŋ˩di
a˥jõɻʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤeĩʔʧĩɻ
feim˩ʤo˥
sũɻkjãʔ
ʤũɻɲeitʰeiɻ
ɬeiɻtʰaŋʃeŋ˩
bɘsumkʰaɻɬu
beixeiɻ
põʔɲei˩
keiŋ˥ʧũɻheiŋ˩
kjɘŋõɻʧemẽɻ
kʰiŋ˥ʦõɻkeim
ja˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋõʔto
bɘ˩sũɻ

yields:

na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘʔ.a̰.iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
Spoiler:
V=aeiouḛ
L=āēīōū
C=ptckqbdgmnlrhsʃʧʦʋjf
F=ie
B=ou
Z=bdg
N=mnŋ
E=ɻʔ
A=jrɣl
D=sʃʧʦʋjf
W=uɛaḛ
U=mʔ̰nːŋ˥˩
H=iueoɛɔɘ
X=eoɛɔaɑɜ
From your urheimat.
From the Kangthang, Kuruk, or that collaborative South Akuriga one?
The entire family (so Kuruk) , like this Image
Also. I've shared what I have on Akuriga, with you. I know, it's extremely simple, but try and make it more complex. [:)]

Re: Opipik's scratchpad

Posted: 02 Jul 2015 19:28
by opipik
Sound changes from Proto-Kangthang to Proto-Akyang
Spoiler:
β̞/w/_
[ȴʑȵ]/j/_
d͡j/ɟʝ/_
ʟ/w/_
wi/y/_
[dɟg]i/ɟʝ/_V
ɟʝi/ɟʝ/_
[tck]i/cç/_V
t͡ɕ/cç/_
[sʂɕx]i/ɕ/_V
[nŋ]i/j/_V
bi/bɟ/_V
pi/pc/_V
pʰi/pʰc/_V
ȶ/c/_
[bp]/f/_C
pʰc/fcʰ/_
f/v/_Z
[fv][ɟc]/\\/_
ɟv/kʷ/_
cf/kʷʰ/_
cfʰ/kʷʰ/_
ʰʰ/ʰ/_
ə/ɪ/P_
ə/ʊ/L_
kʷʰə/kʷʰʊ/_
ɬi/ç/_V
ji/ʝ:/_V
h/ç/_[iɪɛa]
h/ʍ/_[uʊɔ]
y/ɥ/_V
[wɥ]ɛ/œ/_
ʂ/ɕ/_
ʐ/ʑ/_
dʑ/ɟʝ/_
ɕ/ç/_
[ʑj]/ʝ/_
bɟ/ɟ/_
Spoiler:
na t͡sʰɔ˩˥ ȴa˥˩kiɛ na hu˩˥
mɔ˩˥lu˩˥hiŋ
diɛ˩ʂiɛ˩˥sum
niɛn˥t͡ɕɛm˩˥
piɛ˩ʟin˥˩
tʰa˥jiɛn˩t͡sʰiɛn˥˩
ə˩˥.aŋ˩˥.iŋ˩di
a˥ʑɔŋ˥˩d͡zɛ˥wu˥
d͡ʑiɛn˩˥ȴim˥˩
β̞iɛm˩d͡ʑɔ˥
suŋ˥˩ȶaŋ˩˥
dʐun˥˩ȵiɛtʰiɛ˥˩
ɬiɛ˥˩tʰaŋʂɛŋ˩
bəsumkʰa˥˩ɬu
biɛxiɛ˥˩
pɔm˩˥ȵiɛ˩
kiɛŋ˥ȴuŋ˥˩hiɛŋ˩
ȶəŋɔn˥˩t͡ɕʰɛmɛn˥˩
ʟiŋ˥t͡sʰɔŋ˥˩kiɛm
ʑa˥ȶʰəŋ˥wɔŋ˩˥tɔ
t͡ɕiɛ˥

thus yields:

na t͡sʰɔ˩˥ ʝa˥˩cçɛ na ʍu˩˥
mɔ˩˥lu˩˥çiŋ
ɟʝɛ˩çɛ˩˥sum
ʝɛn˥cçɛm˩˥
kʷʰɛ˩yn˥˩
tʰa˥ʝ:ɛn˩t͡sʰiɛn˥˩
ə˩˥.aŋ˩˥.iŋ˩di
a˥ʝɔŋ˥˩d͡zɛ˥wu˥
ɟʝɛn˩˥ʝim˥˩
œm˩ɟʝɔ˥
suŋ˥˩caŋ˩˥
ɟʝun˥˩ʝ:ɛtʰiɛ˥˩
çɛ˥˩tʰaŋçɛŋ˩
bəsumkʰa˥˩ɬu
ɟɛçɛ˥˩
pɔm˩˥ʝ:ɛ˩
cçɛŋ˥ʝuŋ˥˩çiɛŋ˩
cɪŋɔn˥˩cçʰɛmɛn˥˩
yŋ˥t͡sʰɔŋ˥˩cçɛm
ʝa˥cʰəŋ˥wɔŋ˩˥tɔ
cçiɛ˥

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: New language)

Posted: 18 Jul 2015 17:15
by opipik
Two phonologies of related languages:

L1
/t d k/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/β ɣ/
/r ɺ ɺʲ/

/i e a o u ə/


L2
/t ʦ d k/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ɣ h/
/r l/

/i e ɑ ɒ ɔ u ə/

and the phonology of their protolanguage, abbreviated PL:

/b t d ʦ ʣ k g/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/β h/
/r/
/ɺ ʎ̆/
/l ʎ/

/i e ɛ æ ɑ ɒ ɔ o ə ɨ u/

Correspondences:

PL /b/ > L1 /β/, L2 /h/
PL /h/ > L1,L2 /ɣ/
PL /ts/ > L1 /t/, L2 /ts/
to be finished

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: New language)

Posted: 19 Jul 2015 00:46
by Birdlang
opipik wrote:Two phonologies of related languages:

L1
/t d k/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/β ɣ/
/r ɺ ɺʲ/

/i e a o u ə/


L2
/t ʦ d k/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ɣ h/
/r l/

/i e ɑ ɒ ɔ u ə/

and the phonology of their protolanguage, abbreviated PL:

/b t d ʦ ʣ k g/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/β h/
/r/
/ɺ ʎ̆/
/l ʎ/

/i e ɛ æ ɑ ɒ ɔ o ə ɨ u/

Correspondences:

PL /b/ > L1 /β/, L2 /h/
PL /h/ > L1,L2 /ɣ/
PL /ts/ > L1 /t/, L2 /ts/
to be finished
Are you putting these in the romanization game?

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: New language family)

Posted: 20 Jul 2015 18:12
by opipik
Sound changes from Proto-Kawa to Quasi-Khonoma workname, that is
Spoiler:
V=aeiouḛɯɤə
L=āēīōū
C=ptckqbdgmnlrhsʃʧʦʋjf
F=ie
B=ou
Z=bdg
N=mnŋ
E=ɻʔ
A=jrɣl
D=sʃʧʦʋjf
W=uɛaḛ
U=mʔ̰nːŋ˥˩
H=iueoɛɔɘ
X=eoɛɔaɑɜ
R=mnŋrlwj

[ɘɜ]/ə/_
ɛ˥/e/_
ɛ˩/a/_
ɑ/a/_
ɛ/ə/_
u˥/ɯ/_
̰/ʡ/_
ḛ/eʡ/_
ṵ/uʡ/_
ʡɲ/ɲˀ/_
ʡl/lˀ/_
ʡt/tˀ/_
ʡk/kˀ/_
ʡp/pˀ/_
ʡn/nˀ/_
ʡm/mˀ/_
ʡh/h/_
ˀʰ/\\/_V
ˀV/\\/_
ʡ/ˀ/_
ˀ˩/p/_
ˀ˥/t/_
ˀR/\\/_
ˀ/̥/R_
ˀ/k/_
kh/kʰ/_
.//_
n/ŋ/_ɯ
t/k/_ɯ
ʦ/kʰ/_ɯ
ʧ/kʰj/_ɯ
ps/ʦ/_
pʧ/ʦ/_
[ɯə]/ɤ/_
k/ʔ/_#
pɤ/pfɤ/_
bɤ/bvɤ/_
m̥ɤ/ɱ̊ɤ/_
:/˦/_
ʔ/˨/_
ʋɤ/o/_
˥o/\\/_
eo/ɤ/_
ɤ/ə/_
Ck/\\/_V
Ck/\\/_ʰV
Spoiler:
na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘ̰.a̰.iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
ʧe˥

thus yields:

na ʦo˨ ka˦ʧe na hu˨
moləkʰiŋ
daʃeʦəm
nen˥ʧə˨
pakʰi˦
tʰejen˩ʦe˦
əkakiŋ˩di
ejo˦ʦə˥
ʤeʦi˥˦
fem˩ʤə
su˦kja˨
ʤu˦ɲetʰe˦
ɬe˦tʰaŋʃəŋ˩
bvəʦakmʰa˦ɬu
bexe˦
poɲa˨
keŋ˥ʧu˦heŋ˩
kjəŋo˦ʧəme˥˦
kʰiŋ˥ʦo˦kem
jekʰjəŋ˥ʋokə˨
bvə˩su˦
ʧe˥

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Quasi-Khonoma)

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 16:55
by opipik
Sound changes from Proto-Kawa to Kathaa
Spoiler:
[ɘɜ]/ə/_
ɛ˥/e/_
ɛ˩/a/_
ɑ/a/_
ɛ/ə/_
u˥/ɯ/_
̰/ʡ/_
ḛ/eʡ/_
ṵ/uʡ/_
ʡ/q/_V
ʡh/qʰ/_
ʡɲ/jˀ/_
ʡl/lˀ/_
ʡk/q/_
ŋ/n/V_V
ŋ/̃/V_
ʡ/ˀ/_
ˀt/tʰ/_
ə̃/n̩/_
̃//_
oˀ/u/_
o/u/W_
o/ə/J_
o/ɒ/_
ˀ˩/\\/_
jˀ/kj/_
əˀ/ɒ̽/_
ə/ɒ̽/_q
ə/ɨ/W_
ɨ˩/ə/_
e˩/ə˥/_
ə˥/ɨ/_
ˀs/ʦ/_
ɒ̽/ɞ/_
ɒ/a/_
ə/o/_
i/ə/_
ɨ/i/_
ə˩/ɞ/_
e˥/i/_
n̩/ə/_
Spoiler:
V=aeiouɯə
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlrhs
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptc
Z=bdg
N=mnɲŋ
W=mpb
J=ʃʧjɲ
Spoiler:
na ʦo̰ ka:ʧe na hṵ
mo̰lu˥̰hiŋ
dɛ˩ʃḛ˩su˥m
nen˥ʧɛ̰
pɛ˩kʰi:
tʰɛ˥jen˩ʦe:
ɘ̰a̰iŋ˩di
ɛ˥jo:ʦe˥ʋu˥
ʤḛ˩ʧi˥:
fem˩ʤu˥
su:kja̰
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaŋʃɛŋ˩
bɘʦɑmkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
po̰ɲɛ˩
keŋ˥ʧu:heŋ˩
kjɘŋo:ʧɛme˥:
kʰiŋ˥ʦo:kem
jɛ˥kʰjɘŋ˥ʋo̰tu˥
bɜ˩su:
ʧe˥

thus yields:

na ʦu ka:ʧe na huˀ
mulˀɯqʰə
daʃiʦɯm
nen˥ʧɞ
pakʰə:
tʰejen˩ʦe:
qaqɞdə
ejo:ʦiʋɯ
ʤiˀʧə˥:
fem˩ʤɯ
su:kjaˀ
ʤu:ɲetʰe:
ɬe:tʰaʃə˩
biʦamkʰa:ɬu
bexe:
pukja
kiʧu:hi
kjona:ʧomi:
kʰə˥ʦa:kem
jekʰjə˥ʋatʰɯ
bosu:
ʧi

Kangthang has now a word for "language": [t͡ɕiɛ˥]

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Quasi-Khonoma)

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 17:22
by smappy
Some of your sounds changes look really interesting, especially the part where tone changes based on the vowel of the syllable the tone is part of.

On the other hand, I'm a little confused about the way tone works in Proto-Kangthang and all the other languages. Some syllables don't seem to have tone, but it doesn't seem conditioned by accent or anything. Would you mind explaining how it all works? I'm also curious about when the different branches are spoken and where. Thanks!

Re: Opipik's scratchpad (NP: Quasi-Khonoma)

Posted: 25 Jul 2015 21:31
by opipik
Sound changes from Proto-Akyang to Proto-Akyang Katha
Spoiler:
kʷ/p/_
ʝ:/j/_
[ʝç]/j/_
cj/tj/_
ɟj/dj/_
c/tj/_
ɟ/dj/_
jʰ/\\/_
ɛ/e:/j_
ɔ/o:/j_
j//C_[eo]
i/ɪ/_
iɛ/i:/_
[ɛɔœ]/ə/_
[yɪ]/ɨ/_
ɨə/i/_
://_
ŋ/̃/V_
̃/˨/_
˨˥/˩˥/_
˩˥˩/˨˦˧/_
˨˩˥/˦˨˧/_
Spoiler:
na t͡sʰɔ˩˥ ʝa˥˩cçɛ na ʍu˩˥
mɔ˩˥lu˩˥çiŋ
ɟʝɛ˩çɛ˩˥sum
ʝɛn˥cçɛm˩˥
kʷʰɛ˩yn˥˩
tʰa˥ʝ:ɛn˩t͡sʰiɛn˥˩
ə˩˥.aŋ˩˥.iŋ˩di
a˥ʝɔŋ˥˩d͡zɛ˥wu˥
ɟʝɛn˩˥ʝim˥˩
œm˩ɟʝɔ˥
suŋ˥˩caŋ˩˥
ɟʝun˥˩ʝ:ɛtʰiɛ˥˩
çɛ˥˩tʰaŋçɛŋ˩
bəsumkʰa˥˩ɬu
ɟɛçɛ˥˩
pɔm˩˥ʝ:ɛ˩
cçɛŋ˥ʝuŋ˥˩çiɛŋ˩
cɪŋɔn˥˩cçʰɛmɛn˥˩
yŋ˥t͡sʰɔŋ˥˩cçɛm
ʝa˥cʰəŋ˥wɔŋ˩˥tɔ
cçiɛ˥

thus yields:

na t͡sʰə˩˥ ja˥˩te na ʍu˩˥
mə˩˥lu˩˥jɨ˨
de˩je˩˥sum
jen˥tem˩˥
pʰə˩ɨn˥˩
tʰa˥jen˩t͡sʰin˥˩
ə˩˥.a˦˨˧.ɨ˨˩dɨ
a˥jo˨˦˧d͡zə˥wu˥
den˩˥jɨm˥˩
əm˩do˥
su˨˦˧tja˦˨˧
djun˥˩jetʰi˥˩
je˥˩tʰa˨je˨˩
bəsumkʰa˥˩ɬu
deje˥˩
pəm˩˥je˩
te˩˥ju˨˦˧ji˨˩
tjɨ˨ən˥˩tʰjemən˥˩
ɨ˩˥t͡sʰə˨˦˧tem
ja˥tʰjə˩˥wə˦˨˧tə
tji˥