Challenge for conlangs with gender

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Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by All4Ɇn » 07 Jun 2015 02:29

After looking on Wikipedia's article for gender and seeing their maps on Polish and French's use of gender for countries I thought it'd be interesting to see everyone's different gender distinctions and how they play out for each country. Here's Îçlo's
http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png

Simple masculine-feminine distinction. Feminine in blue, masculine in red.

Template here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ct.svg.png
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by masako » 07 Jun 2015 02:59

For the love of lemons and other citrus fruits, please use this; http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png or just link to the map instead of bend the universe with that massive monstrosity.

That is all.

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by All4Ɇn » 07 Jun 2015 03:00

masako wrote:For the love of lemons and other citrus fruits, please use this; http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png or just link to the map instead of bend the universe with that massive monstrosity.

That is all.
I didn't anticipate it being that big..

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by masako » 07 Jun 2015 03:03

All4Ɇn wrote:I didn't anticipate it being that big..
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by All4Ɇn » 07 Jun 2015 03:07

Hey I'm not the one who called it a massive monstrosity now [;)]

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by qwed117 » 07 Jun 2015 03:33

All4Ɇn wrote:After looking on Wikipedia's article for gender and seeing their maps on Polish and French's use of gender for countries I thought it'd be interesting to see everyone's different gender distinctions and how they play out for each country. Here's Îçlo's
http://i.imgur.com/KKbTdxX.png

Simple masculine-feminine distinction. Feminine in blue, masculine in red.

Template here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ct.svg.png
This is mine
Don't read this until after looking at the map!
Despite having gender, in a pluralized group that contains both female and male members, neutral is used. Always. As soon as one girl or boy enters the fray, bam! neutral.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Ahzoh » 07 Jun 2015 04:24

My conlang is boring: all the countries are in neutral gender.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Avjunza » 07 Jun 2015 08:09

I have Animate and Neuter/Inanimate genders; nations, being groups/organizations of people, are all Animate.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Nortaneous » 07 Jun 2015 12:50

Kannow has a boring mostly-semantic noun class system: http://i.imgur.com/5T6MtiG.png

...except I forgot that the noun class for islands is the same as the noun class for legal constructs, so everything in green should be red. Except Iceland, which should probably be blue.

Red and green are noun class 4. Blue is noun class 5.

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Squall » 07 Jun 2015 14:40

How to choose a color when United States and United Kingdom are masculine, but America and Great Britain are feminine? That happens in some real-world languages.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by clawgrip » 07 Jun 2015 15:01

The only languages I have with gender aren't set in our world. One of them has three genders, but none of them are masculine or feminine. I also suspect that the majority of countries would fit in the same gender. The only conlang I have that is set in the real world has no gender.

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by All4Ɇn » 07 Jun 2015 17:06

Squall wrote:How to choose a color when United States and United Kingdom are masculine, but America and Great Britain are feminine? That happens in some real-world languages.
I didn't think of that. That happens with my language too actually. America also refers to the continent so the U.S. seems like the obvious choice. I guess you could choose either with Britain. I went with the U.K.

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Xing » 07 Jun 2015 22:16

All4Ɇn wrote:I didn't think of that. That happens with my language too actually. America also refers to the continent so the U.S. seems like the obvious choice. I guess you could choose either with Britain. I went with the U.K.
In the British case, isn't 'Great Britain' technically a part of the UK? If it's the gender of the country one is asking form it's 'UK' that's relevant.

But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all [:)]

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Squall » 08 Jun 2015 00:01

The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain. There were countries in the past whose full name was "United Kingdom of Something".

The full name of Mexico is United States of Mexico, but only America is called United States.
Xing wrote:But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all [:)]
Netherlands has two names in Portuguese. The first is Holanda, which is commonly used in the spoken language, and Países Baixos, which is shown in maps. The gender of both terms is different too.

My only conlangs that have random genders are romlangs, so I do not have anything interesting to present.
Other conlangs have "consistent" gender system, so this will be the result.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Ahzoh » 08 Jun 2015 00:11

What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
Or marked the native countries as one gender and foreign countries as another?
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by All4Ɇn » 08 Jun 2015 00:12

Xing wrote:But anyway, it's not unattested a country has two commonly used names in a given language, so the original question isn't stupid at all [:)]
It's not uncommon for maps to have overlays so I guess use multiple colors on one country to represent it. I think native names should take priority over less used official names (republic of etc.) though

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Xing » 10 Jun 2015 21:30

Squall wrote:The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain. There were countries in the past whose full name was "United Kingdom of Something".

The full name of Mexico is United States of Mexico, but only America is called United States.
It's not uncommon for countries to have 'long' and 'short' official names – with the long one being something like 'the kingdom of [country]', 'the republic of [country]', 'the democratic peoples' republic of [country]', 'the [country]-ian federation', etc. Though it's the short official forms that are typically used in writing.
Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Dormouse559 » 10 Jun 2015 21:39

Squall wrote:The full name is United Kingdom of Great Britain.
In fact, it's "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by Ahzoh » 10 Jun 2015 23:23

Xing wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.
That's the point.
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Re: Challenge for conlangs with gender

Post by masako » 11 Jun 2015 00:52

Ahzoh wrote:
Xing wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:What if there was a language that marked enemy countries as one gender, and allied countries as another?
Highly unlikely, since relations and alliances between countries are likely to change constantly.
That's the point.
Linguistically, that's a ridiculous point. Genders are not that dynamic.

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