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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by alynnidalar » 13 Jun 2016 16:25

shanoxilt wrote:An oligosynthetic language where the semantic primes are words from the NATO phonetic alphabet.
Marvelous. I am sorely tempted.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by jimydog000 » 13 Jun 2016 22:14

shanoxilt wrote:
For many of them, I disagree that they are necessarily bad.
More like 'bad advice on what bad ideas for conlanging are'. "338# Have the gaps in your conlang’s phonology (e.g. it has an unvoiced fricative but not the corresponding voiced one) be explained by the fact that you couldn’t come up with more cool symbols for your conscript." WTH there's so many ways to interpret that lol.

I like this one: "#379
Have your conlang talk of weather as an action of the diety of that realm, such as with earth-deity Taf, you would say “Taf is shaking” for an earthquake. Have your deity of the sky be named It, so “It is raining” and “It is sunny.”
If It is an unpredictable and vindictive judge of all, misfortune can be summarized as “It happens.”
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Post by OTʜᴇB » 14 Jun 2016 22:44

shanoxilt wrote:
-A language with a writing system that expands to form squares of text (as a pose to lines of text as most natlangs do)
This might be possible by modifying the Unker Non-Linear Writing System.
This is very interesting. I've been messing with ways to create symbols for words based on an alphabet as I am somewhat off-put by how tedious a logographic language can be to make but with little success. The most success I've had would create a square for each word but it placed un-workable limitations on the make-up of the language itself. One further idea I have had but not yet tried is a system of relative position in which each word can follow a path determined by markings on the characters and the first of each is highlighted. Then the relative position of each highlighted character determined sentence order or potentially further meaning. What are people's opinions on this (if I may side-track this post slightly for a little bit)?
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by Shemtov » 04 Jul 2016 21:48

I want to do something like, say, Gallia Belgae was not conquered in the Gallic Wars, and thus a Germanic 'Belgian" language exists, spoken not only in Walloonia, but also in Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Picardy, and North Champagne, which would not be part of France. Do people think that's a good idea?
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by shimobaatar » 04 Jul 2016 22:16

This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by qwed117 » 05 Jul 2016 01:49

shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by Ælfwine » 05 Jul 2016 02:10

shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.
I'd like to see the modern descendent of Gothic. [:D] I have a few ideas of my own. (Not that I'd steal any of yours...well maybe a bit. Hehe.)

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by Lambuzhao » 05 Jul 2016 02:54

Ælfwine wrote:
shimobaatar wrote: [*]A modern descendant of Gothic.
I'd like to see the modern descendent of Gothic. [:D] I have a few ideas of my own. (Not that I'd steal any of yours...well maybe a bit. Hehe.)

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Damien Perrotin, A Small Gutisk Grammar (with a very humble name!)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4-qv8 ... ef=2&pli=1

A few of us tried working on another modern dialect collaboratively; there's still evidences on this forum.

Try contacting members Arskoul and Aeluro for more info.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by shimobaatar » 05 Jul 2016 02:58

qwed117 wrote:
Spoiler:
shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

[+1]
Anything in particular you're responding to?

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by elemtilas » 05 Jul 2016 03:14

shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Spoiler:
shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

[+1]
Anything in particular you're responding to?
I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by shimobaatar » 05 Jul 2016 03:37

elemtilas wrote: I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.
Thank you!

Haha, no, I can assure you I didn't mean Scots. [:P]

I had the idea for a Modern Gothic quite recently due to a new book I've acquired, so I might start working on that more now. As for the new branch of IE, I don't think I'll start work on my own at least until things are back up and running in the PIE descendant collablang thread.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by qwed117 » 05 Jul 2016 03:45

elemtilas wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Spoiler:
shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

[+1]
Anything in particular you're responding to?
I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.
[+1]
Spoiler:
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by Ælfwine » 05 Jul 2016 04:27

Lambuzhao wrote:
Ælfwine wrote:
shimobaatar wrote: [*]A modern descendant of Gothic.
I'd like to see the modern descendent of Gothic. [:D] I have a few ideas of my own. (Not that I'd steal any of yours...well maybe a bit. Hehe.)

Message me.
Y'all wish is my command (Ahem. Well, it was Arskoul's, really)...

Damien Perrotin, A Small Gutisk Grammar (with a very humble name!)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4-qv8 ... ef=2&pli=1

A few of us tried working on another modern dialect collaboratively; there's still evidences on this forum.

Try contacting members Arskoul and Aeluro for more info.

wulþus in hauhistjam (don't get me started!) [B)]

:got: SINTЄIN
Shimo and I both had the idea to set the location in Visigothic Spain, so it would be romance Germlangs. Despite this, I'd definitely take a look at Gutesc, from a cursory glance it seems to have more of a northern Germanic influence - but that's not bad! And I'd definitely contact them.

Vowel Ideas:
Spoiler:
o: u > o
e: i > e
e ɛ: > ɛ
o ɔ: > ɔ
ɔ > ɔ
ɛ > ɛ
i: > i
u: > u
a a: > a

Viola! A perfect Western Latin vowel system.

Diphthongs would probably remain as they are.

Some other diphthongs might come about via elision of intervocalic /h/.
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by shimobaatar » 05 Jul 2016 18:51

Ælfwine wrote: Shimo and I both had the idea to set the location in Visigothic Spain, so it would be romance Germlangs. Despite this, I'd definitely take a look at Gutesc, from a cursory glance it seems to have more of a northern Germanic influence - but that's not bad! And I'd definitely contact them.

Vowel Ideas:
Spoiler:
o: u > o
e: i > e
e ɛ: > ɛ
o ɔ: > ɔ
i: > i
u: > u
a a: > a

Viola! A perfect Western Latin vowel system.

Diphthongs would probably remain as they are.

Some other diphthongs might come about via elision of intervocalic /h/.
I'll definitely have to take a look at those links as well. As I may have said before, I like how similar yet distinct our ideas for vowel changes have been.

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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by Zythros Jubi » 16 Aug 2016 19:22

A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.

What would South Germanic look like?
An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.

Romlangs with High German consonant shift, like Roman Germanech and Jelbäzech?
Sabellian Romance languages.

I remember seeing New Oscan on ZBB, called Savvinic.
A future descendant of General American English.

That has been overdone.
A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
That'd be marvelous if set in Corsica and/or Sardinia.

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Post by shimobaatar » 16 Aug 2016 19:35

Zythros Jubi wrote:
A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.

What would South Germanic look like?
I've only had the most basic ideas for a South Germanic branch, but I guess I imagine it looking something like the Gallo-Romance languages, but with even more Germanic elements.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.

Romlangs with High German consonant shift, like Roman Germanech and Jelbäzech?
I hadn't considered that for this idea.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
Sabellian Romance languages.

I remember seeing New Oscan on ZBB, called Savvinic.
Savvinic is very well made and inspirational, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't do a descendant of Oscan, Umbrian, or another related language.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
A future descendant of General American English.

That has been overdone.
With all due respect, I'll make one if I want to. It doesn't matter to me if you think they're overdone.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
That'd be marvelous if set in Corsica and/or Sardinia.
That wasn't the plan, but that could be interesting.

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Post by Ælfwine » 17 Aug 2016 23:31

I really want to do an agglutinating Norse-Greenlandic language, but I am already working on two other Germanic conlangs. [xD]
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Re: Interesting Ideas

Post by LinguoFranco » 17 Aug 2016 23:49

-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
- A modern version of an East Germanic language
- A language that uses pitch accent to mark verb tenses and noun genders.
-Gender based on young vs old.
- A language that only allows unvoiced consonants to appear together and voiced consonants appear separately. A sort of consonant harmony, you could say.

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Post by HoskhMatriarch » 18 Aug 2016 00:02

Ælfwine wrote:I really want to do an agglutinating Norse-Greenlandic language, but I am already working on two other Germanic conlangs. [xD]
An agglutinating Germanic language? That would be cool.


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Post by Creyeditor » 18 Aug 2016 00:59

LinguoFranco wrote:-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
Have a look at the collabromlang.
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