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If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Davush » 28 Dec 2016 18:21

Similar to the other thread (if natlangs were conlangs), it might be fun to see where your conlang would fit if it were a natural language.

Post a sentence or two in your conlang (preferably with IPA as well), and we can say where we think it would belong if it were spoken on earth.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Egerius » 28 Dec 2016 18:28

Buonavallese would perfectly fit into the Central Italian dialect continuum.

Example:
La léngua Buonavallese se puodet cumprèndere si se faula l'Italiano.
[la ˈleŋɡwa bu̯onavaˈleːze se ˈpu̯ode cumˈpɾɛndeɾe si se ˈfau̯la litalˈjaːno]
Buonavallese can be understood if one speaks Italian.
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by protondonor » 28 Dec 2016 18:34

Most of my conlangs are based on natlangs, so they are (supposed to be) not very hard to place. Here's a sample of my current a priori, non-earth-based project, Wedokwa:

Oɂ Sijera svīɂjekkūsjesīñhjan sitīhjī wīhahkjāhhjan taɂsōhjit kjeɂøhhjan kurhōkhjan hjēhīt kvāttūñhjan mek īwōnīñinasjan matsānasji køsekokkjiw wi køsekokjēj wi tentvittsi īɂītvawōnīntvi taɂ kvēwkiñhjan hīh hūtjitimmōtūñhjan.
[oʔ sijera sʷi:ʔʲekʰʷ:u:ʃesi:ɲçan sidi:çi: wi:haçcʰa:ç:an tʰaʔso:çit cʰeʔʲøç:an kʰʷurho:cçan çe:hi:t kʰʷa:tʰ:u:ɲçan mek i:wo:ni:ŋinaʃan matsa:naʃi cʰøsegocʰ:iw wi cʰøsegoɟe:j wi tʰendʷit:si i:ʔi:dʷawo:ni:ndʷi tʰaʔ kʰʷe:wkʰiɲçan hi:h ʍu:tʃidim:o:du:ɲçan]

I'm curious about where people think it would lie.
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by abi » 28 Dec 2016 18:37

Probably a native american language or some sort.

Translation from the first bit of Wikipedia's entry for foxes:

Lútaak sí wa yunʔ ɲúúɲee nééʔréyuurí yenhaat luɲee, wa seeʔ káán taahke nííhukwuuwáá tíírenluɲee. Luhré ʔaaklaak naakyaarí, héét kuutʔi ráátuuyaarí, heɲúúk yeeʔaanyaarísí, wa nuuyu heeʔu luníí.

Acute is high tone, unaccented is low tone. Double letters are long, single short. Consonants are IPA value.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Davush » 28 Dec 2016 19:19

@Protondonor, I could see this being somehow related to or having been in contact with finno-ugric languages. The lots of long vowels, front rounded vowels and unvoiced plosives give me that feeling.

@abi, I would guess Native American although I'm not too familiar with those languages.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Isfendil » 28 Dec 2016 19:54

I don't have very much experience with natlangs. I suppose my first three a posteriori would be somewhere in Afro-Eurasia, given one is Indo European and the other two are Semitic, but my very first a priori... Could someone help me place this?

[lʰjáz zuˈbɛqt ʃaˈnɑ̀q, zilɑqˈʃejn zuqoʃˈdzuɾ, lajaˈʔanó βidkɾaʃʃejn gig, zejˈrǎtɑ̀q qɨˈχɨlk, ɸju χɜχɜˈnɑq yɑˈχɨln.]

Apparently CBB font doesn't know the difference between an ɛks and a kʰai

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by protondonor » 28 Dec 2016 20:38

I'm getting kind of a Mon-Khmer vibe from abi's post. Although it could also fit quite well in the Amazon.

Isfendil, that looks vaguely Turkic or Tungusic to me, except for the use of tone and contrastive stress, and the consonant clusters in syllable onset and coda. A lot of the words with /q/ are giving me a very Arabic or Berber feeling as well. And [βidkɾaʃʃejn] seems straight out of Germanic or Slavic.

@Davush, apparently even when I don't try to make a Uralic language, I wind up making a Uralic language!
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Ahzoh » 28 Dec 2016 21:14

Vrkhazhian, maybe North Africa or Middle-East.

ṛ-Hazi noki zuqad ʾezzari ya.
/ɹ̩'ha.zi 'no̞.ki zu'qɑ.d‿e̞z'za.ɹi ja/
ṛ-Qrošu noku buḡat ʾeʾwadu ya.
/ɹ̩q'ɹo̞.çu 'no̞.ku bu'ɣa.t‿e̞ʔ'wa.du ja/
ṛ-Wsana ṛ-su-maẇdahu tusaḡ.
/ɹ̩β'sa.na‿ɹ.su.mao̯'da.hu tu'saɣ/

ṛ-Hazi noki ṛ-tufařsu ʾulal ʾezzari ya.
/ɹ̩'ha.zi 'no̞.ki‿ɹ.tu'ɸar.su‿'la.l‿e̞z'za.ɹi ja/
ṛ-Qrošu noku mammatu mel ṛ-ḵumtu buḡat ʾeʾwadu ya.
/ɹ̩q'ɹo̞.çu 'no̞.ku mam'ma.tu 'me̞.l‿ɹ̩'xum.tu bu'ɣa.t‿e̞ʔ'wa.du ja/
ṛ-Wsana ṛ-su-maẇdahu lav ṛ-s-ʾildřolu ṛ-qawwanu tusaḡ.
/ɹ̩β'sa.na‿ɹ.su.mao̯'da.hu 'la.β‿ɹ̩.sil'dro̞.lu‿ɹ.qɑ'βa.nu tu'saɣ/

ṛ-Hazi noki ṛ-tufařsu ṇkibu ḡal nuši ʾezqaddu ʾulal ʾezzari ya.
/ɹ̩'ha.zi 'no̞.ki‿ɹ.tu'ɸar.su‿ŋ'ki.bu ɣal 'nu.çi‿z'qɑd.du‿'la.l‿e̞z'za.ɹi ja/
ṛ-Qrošu noku mammatu mel ṛ-ḵumtu ṛ-sa-gebu ṛ-ʾeʾwadu buḡat haqqalu ya.
/ɹ̩q'ɹo̞.çu 'no̞.ku mam'ma.tu me̞.l‿ɹ̩'xum.tu‿ɹ.sa'ge̞.bu ɹe̞ʔ'wa.du bu'ɣat haq'qɑ.lu ja/
ṛ-Wsana ṛ-su-maẇdahu noka ṛ-t-ʾildřolu ṛ-qawwanu noku ḡanib toʾlal wuda tusaḡ.
/ɹ̩β'sa.na‿ɹ.su.mao̯'da.hu 'no̞.ka‿ɹ.til'dro̞.lu‿ɹ.qɑ'βa.nu 'no̞.ku ɣa'nib to̞ʔ'lal 'wʊ.da tu'saɣ/
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Davush » 28 Dec 2016 21:19

Isfendil's language is hard to place, /βidkɾaʃʃejn/ looks out of place compared to the rest. Overall, I'd say it's giving me a Caucasian vibe because of /q/ and the clusters. It's not quite Semitic enough for me to place it with Arabic/Berber.

@Ahzoh, given the IPA, I feel this is less Middle-Eastern, and inspires more of a non-Semitic Afro-Asiatic feel for me.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Isfendil » 28 Dec 2016 21:58

Daorian is agglutinative, /βidkɾaʃʃejn/ is βid+kraʃ+ʃejn. The v and f of this language are bilabial fricatives rather than labiodentals (they were aspirated stops before, most likely).

Also, given vrkhazhian has been mentioned, I wonder just how much areal contact can change a language's morphology. Is it really possible that Semitic languages could, via areal contact, make another language a nonconcatenative, triconsonantal language, even if it not Afro Asiatic?

Also, is [q] a particularly arabic/berber phoneme? I thought many languages had it.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by protondonor » 28 Dec 2016 22:28

/q/ is in a lot of places, such as the Arctic (both in Siberian langs and many Inuit langs), the Andes, the Pacific Northwest, the Caucasus, and a lot of other places. I just thought that [zuˈbɛqt] and [ʃaˈnɑ̀q] looked particularly Arabic or Berber. [qɨˈχɨlk] looks much more Siberian though. And [zuqoʃˈdzuɾ] looks Turkic to me.

I am not getting much of a Semitic feel from Vrkazhian. The ɹC- initial clusters could be Qiangic. Other than that I can't really place it.
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Ahzoh » 28 Dec 2016 22:48

The IPA posited is the narrow transcription including liason and allophony.
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Creyeditor » 29 Dec 2016 00:15

abi wrote:Probably a native american language or some sort.

Translation from the first bit of Wikipedia's entry for foxes:

Lútaak sí wa yunʔ ɲúúɲee nééʔréyuurí yenhaat luɲee, wa seeʔ káán taahke nííhukwuuwáá tíírenluɲee. Luhré ʔaaklaak naakyaarí, héét kuutʔi ráátuuyaarí, heɲúúk yeeʔaanyaarísí, wa nuuyu heeʔu luníí.

Acute is high tone, unaccented is low tone. Double letters are long, single short. Consonants are IPA value.
This looks so West-African to me [xD]
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by elemtilas » 29 Dec 2016 00:30

didi-saya! vananye ata-rosayatani ata-romaratani! :: na le-prima-stara peram-an-houwe-ng-endomenye canil : na le-prima-lesa peramg-cornowanye canil : yang-we-yamó hwerelûmuat

O ye wise of eye and wise of ear! Indeed within & there to here in what places of abode and also indeed within and overflowing all boundaries in what strange, foreign places do we ourselves inhabit?

The long and short of this Daine's question: where do you think we fit?
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Ahzoh » 29 Dec 2016 01:14

elemtilas wrote:didi-saya! vananye ata-rosayatani ata-romaratani! :: na le-prima-stara peram-an-houwe-ng-endomenye canil : na le-prima-lesa peramg-cornowanye canil : yang-we-yamó hwerelûmuat

O ye wise of eye and wise of ear! Indeed within & there to here in what places of abode and also indeed within and overflowing all boundaries in what strange, foreign places do we ourselves inhabit?

The long and short of this Daine's question: where do you think we fit?
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by elemtilas » 29 Dec 2016 02:54

Ahzoh wrote:
elemtilas wrote:didi-saya! vananye ata-rosayatani ata-romaratani! :: na le-prima-stara peram-an-houwe-ng-endomenye canil : na le-prima-lesa peramg-cornowanye canil : yang-we-yamó hwerelûmuat

O ye wise of eye and wise of ear! Indeed within & there to here in what places of abode and also indeed within and overflowing all boundaries in what strange, foreign places do we ourselves inhabit?

The long and short of this Daine's question: where do you think we fit?
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Odkidstr » 29 Dec 2016 03:23

In all fairness, I don't know my natlangs well, but I think that Vrkhazhian looks Turkish. And for whatever reason, elemtilas's looks like some sort of Malay + Latin.

Curious if Odki looks like any natlang (probably not):

edRodke papondokaki edRod këtëméd rotigda.

[ed.ʀod.kʰe pa.pon.do.ka.ki ed.ʀod kə.tə.mɛd ɾot.ig.da]

I want to ride my unicycle.


Midd edogdede Rekgo igtod vodegmodo vodegmodo.

[miɖ ed.og.de.de ʀek̚.go ig.tʰod ʋod.eg.mo.do ʋod.eg.mo.do]

He lives in the woman’s house.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by elemtilas » 29 Dec 2016 03:40

Odkidstr wrote:In all fairness, I don't know my natlangs well, but I think that Vrkhazhian looks Turkish. And for whatever reason, elemtilas's looks like some sort of Malay + Latin.
[O.O] I am curious: what about it makes you think Malay / Austronesian?
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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by Odkidstr » 29 Dec 2016 03:44

elemtilas wrote:
Odkidstr wrote:In all fairness, I don't know my natlangs well, but I think that Vrkhazhian looks Turkish. And for whatever reason, elemtilas's looks like some sort of Malay + Latin.
[O.O] I am curious: what about it makes you think Malay / Austronesian?
The overall look I guess. Generally reminds me at a glance of Malay. I have no specific reasons.

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Re: If your conlang were a natlang...

Post by DesEsseintes » 29 Dec 2016 04:58

elemtilas wrote:didi-saya! vananye ata-rosayatani ata-romaratani! :: na le-prima-stara peram-an-houwe-ng-endomenye canil : na le-prima-lesa peramg-cornowanye canil : yang-we-yamó hwerelûmuat

O ye wise of eye and wise of ear! Indeed within & there to here in what places of abode and also indeed within and overflowing all boundaries in what strange, foreign places do we ourselves inhabit?

The long and short of this Daine's question: where do you think we fit?
There's a hint of Malay there in words like saya ata peramg yang. But I find that a lot of languages with a preference for open syllables are difficult to place.
abi wrote:Lútaak sí wa yunʔ ɲúúɲee nééʔréyuurí yenhaat luɲee, wa seeʔ káán taahke nííhukwuuwáá tíírenluɲee. Luhré ʔaaklaak naakyaarí, héét kuutʔi ráátuuyaarí, heɲúúk yeeʔaanyaarísí, wa nuuyu heeʔu luníí.
Very nice looking conlang [:D]. Reminds me a tiny bit of Skiri Pawnee. Is there more info on this language available?

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