American English Derived Collablang!

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American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 06 Mar 2018 19:48

All communication between the United States and the other Anglophone nations has been cut off! Don't ask how or why, it just has. Over the centuries, American(US) English becomes a separate language. How will it develop? The choice is ours!

First, we need to choose the phonology. I will keep the wine-whine merger. This makes our starting consonant inventory as such:(orthography is standardized to add clarity when writing.
Nasal:/m n ŋ/ m n ng
Stop:/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
Fricative:/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/f v th dh s z sh zh h
Lateral:/ł/ l
Affricate:/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
Approximant:/ɹ j w/r y w

So, question one: which mergers should we standardize?
A. Father-bother
B. Cot-Caught
C. Mary-marry-merry
D.Hurry-furry
E.Mirror-nearer
F.Any combination(state which ones) or something else I didn't list

All voting will last 24(ish) hours.
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Parlox » 06 Mar 2018 20:09

American English becomes a separate language.
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Which "American" english?
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 06 Mar 2018 20:11

Sorry, I meant to say US dialect. Probably mostly influenced by GA.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Cavaliers327 » 06 Mar 2018 20:12

F. All of the above, I'm assuming a General American base with some influence from most major regional dialects with regards to large areal changes Let's call it "American Koine English"

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Parlox » 06 Mar 2018 21:21

F. All of the above.
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 06 Mar 2018 23:12

1: f

A little nit-picky, but regarding the inventory in the original post, what about /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/?

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by vo1dwalk3r » 07 Mar 2018 04:18

1. F, all of the above.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Ælfwine » 07 Mar 2018 04:37

A,B,E
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 07 Mar 2018 04:59

shimobaatar wrote:
06 Mar 2018 23:12
1: f

A little nit-picky, but regarding the inventory in the original post, what about /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/?
Wow, I can't believe I forgot those!

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by kiwikami » 07 Mar 2018 05:36

1. A,D,E
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 07 Mar 2018 20:02

Round one of voting is done, F(all of the above) wins out.
The United States Federal Government decides to institute a program to standardize American English.
The vowel quality inventory is now as such for almost all speakers:
/ i ɩ ʊ u/
/eɩ oʊ/
/ɛ ǝ ʌ/
/æ ɑ/
/aɩ ɔɩ aʊ/

Now for round two: Consonant changes
It has been years since the standardization, and sounds are starting to change. What sound changes should we have?
General How these will pan out will be decided later
A. Palatalization before i/ɩ/ɛ/eɩ
B. Velarization before u/ʊ/oʊ/ʌ/ɑ
C. Intervocalic lenition
D. Final consonant devoicing
E. Intervocalic voicing
F.Lenition of lenis plosives unconditionally
G. De-aspiration of fortis plosives
H. All of the above
Specific Choose a few of these, or none, or add some. If none are chosen, I will pick one(or a few).
A. h>Ø/V_V
B. v>ʋ
C. w>ʋ
D. ɾ>ʔ
E. ɹ>r
F. ɾ>r
G. anything else

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 07 Mar 2018 20:10

2: a c d (+ kiwikami's suggestion) e
3: a b c e f
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by kiwikami » 07 Mar 2018 21:55

2. A, D (with vowel lengthening so that we have /bɛd/&/bɛt/ > /bɛ:t/&/bɛt), and E
3. A, E, F
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Ælfwine » 07 Mar 2018 21:59

2. D
3. B,C,E,F
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by idov » 07 Mar 2018 22:00

2. B C D + kiwikami's suggestion
3. A B D
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Cavaliers327 » 07 Mar 2018 23:28

2. A B C D E+ kiwikami's suggestion
3. All of the above

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by vo1dwalk3r » 08 Mar 2018 02:11

2. C D (+ Kiwikami's) E
3. A B C

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Hominid » 08 Mar 2018 03:23

2. a e f
3. b c

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Nachtuil » 08 Mar 2018 03:35

2. a,b,c,d,g and Kikikamis suggestion.
3. a, d, f

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 08 Mar 2018 19:12

Voting for that is now done, and the results for 1 will be A,C,D,E and 2 will be A,B,C,F
The next few issues are as follows:

1a: How will palatalization occur?
With the velars?
A: k/g>c/ɟ
B: k/g>kʲ/gʲ
With nasals?
A:n,ŋ>nʲ
B:n,ŋ>ɲ
C:Distinguish between nʲ and ɲ?(does that even happen?)
Sibilants?
A:s,z>sʲ,zʲ|ʃ,ʒ>ʃ,ʒ
B:s,z,ʃ,ʒ>ʃ,ʒ
C:s,z>sʲ,zʲ|ʃ,ʒ>ɕ,ʑ
D:s,z>ʃ,ʒ|ʃ,ʒ>ɕ,ʑ
With /h/?
A:h>ç
B:h>h
With /ł/?
A: ł>l
B:ł>lʲ
C:ł>ʎ

1c: How will intervocalic lenition occur?
A: b,d,g>ʋ~ʋʲ, ð~ðʲ, ɣ~j Unvoiced do not leniate
B: p,t,k,b,d,g>f~fʲ, θ~θʲ, x~ç, ʋ~ʋʲ, ð~ðʲ, ɣ~j

1d: nothing to vote, bdg>ptk/_#, vowels lengthen to compensate.

1e: Will voicing effect only the fricatives, or plosives too?
A:fricatives only
B: Voice 'em all baby!

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