American English Derived Collablang!

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Ælfwine » 16 Mar 2018 04:02

1. B
2. A
3. F (Shimo's option)
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by idov » 16 Mar 2018 04:35

1. B
2. A
3. B, D & E
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by spanick » 16 Mar 2018 04:35

1. A
2. C
3. F (Shimo’s suggestion)

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Cavaliers327 » 17 Mar 2018 03:59

1. A
2. A
3. F(shimo's suggestion)

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Hominid » 17 Mar 2018 18:18

CarsonDaConlanger wrote:
15 Mar 2018 16:21
No, just GA diphthongs for now.
But GA uses Canadian raising for /aɪ/.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 17 Mar 2018 22:26

Hominid wrote:
17 Mar 2018 18:18
CarsonDaConlanger wrote:
15 Mar 2018 16:21
No, just GA diphthongs for now.
But GA uses Canadian raising for /aɪ/.
Really? Since when? According to whom?

Certainly a wide variety of dialects/accents exhibit /aɪ̯/ raising, mine included, but I've never heard anyone claim that it's a feature of General American before.

I don't mean to be rude; I'm just curious where you're getting your information from. You may be right.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Creyeditor » 17 Mar 2018 22:57

Not a source I can refer you to, but, but one of the phonology postdocs here (IIRC) said that GA has /aɪ̯/-raising in a more restricted set of contexts, than Canadian raising. Also there seems to be at least some variation and inter-speaker variation. Also:
Wikipedia wrote:Raising of just /aɪ/ is found throughout the United States, and so may be considered an increasingly common General American characteristic, with the only major exception in the U.S. being in the South.
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 17 Mar 2018 23:01

Creyeditor wrote:
17 Mar 2018 22:57
Not a source I can refer you to, but, but one of the phonology postdocs here (IIRC) said that GA has /aɪ̯/-raising in a more restricted set of contexts, than Canadian raising. Also there seems to be at least some variation and inter-speaker variation.
All correct.
Creyeditor wrote:
17 Mar 2018 22:57
Also:
Wikipedia wrote:Raising of just /aɪ/ is found throughout the United States, and so may be considered an increasingly common General American characteristic, with the only major exception in the U.S. being in the South.
I've heard something similar before as well, but without the mention of GA. Interesting.

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 21 Mar 2018 12:23

shimobaatar wrote:
16 Mar 2018 03:15
Why do the question numbers go back to 1 every round? Just a personal preference of the organizer?
Pretty much yeah. I see a lot of questions coming and I don't like double digits in numbering so I just restart. It's also easier for me to remember.
Hominid wrote:
17 Mar 2018 18:18
But GA uses Canadian raising for /aɪ/.
I think we should vote on this.
Results are in, sorry for being lazy.
1(b): The shift in vowels will trend toward less vowels
2(a): eɩ oʊ>e: o:
3(f): aɩ aʊ>?
1: aɩ aʊ
What should they monophthongize to?
A:aɩ aʊ>a a
B:aɩ aʊ>ɩ ʊ
C:Something else
2: Canadian raising for aɩ
Should we do it?
A: Yes!
B: No!
C: Trees!
3: Close vowels(i ɩ u ʊ)
What should we do?
A: Leave it
B: i ɩ u ʊ> i i u u
C: i ɩ u ʊ>i: i u: u
D: Something else
4: Open vowels (æ ɑ)
What shall be their fates?
A: Nothing! Leave those poor vowels alone!
B: Merge them to /a/
C: Merge them to /ɑ/
D: Merge them to /æ/
E: Something else
5: ʌ
What shall we do with this baby?
A: Nothing
B: Merge to ǝ
C: Merge with ǝ to ʌ
D: Round it to ɔ
E: Merge with the open vowels(tell me how you would like for that to go)
F: Something else

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 21 Mar 2018 13:04

1: c (aɪ̯ aʊ̯ > e o)
2: a
3: d (i ɪ u ʊ > i e u o)
4: b
5: b

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Ælfwine » 21 Mar 2018 17:00

CarsonDaConlanger wrote:
21 Mar 2018 12:23
shimobaatar wrote:
16 Mar 2018 03:15
Why do the question numbers go back to 1 every round? Just a personal preference of the organizer?
Pretty much yeah. I see a lot of questions coming and I don't like double digits in numbering so I just restart. It's also easier for me to remember.
Hominid wrote:
17 Mar 2018 18:18
But GA uses Canadian raising for /aɪ/.
I think we should vote on this.
Results are in, sorry for being lazy.
1(b): The shift in vowels will trend toward less vowels
2(a): eɩ oʊ>e: o:
3(f): aɩ aʊ>?
1: aɩ aʊ
What should they monophthongize to?
A:aɩ aʊ>a a
B:aɩ aʊ>ɩ ʊ
C:Something else
2: Canadian raising for aɩ
Should we do it?
A: Yes!
B: No!
C: Trees!
3: Close vowels(i ɩ u ʊ)
What should we do?
A: Leave it
B: i ɩ u ʊ> i i u u
C: i ɩ u ʊ>i: i u: u
D: Something else
4: Open vowels (æ ɑ)
What shall be their fates?
A: Nothing! Leave those poor vowels alone!
B: Merge them to /a/
C: Merge them to /ɑ/
D: Merge them to /æ/
E: Something else
5: ʌ
What shall we do with this baby?
A: Nothing
B: Merge to ǝ
C: Merge with ǝ to ʌ
D: Round it to ɔ
E: Merge with the open vowels(tell me how you would like for that to go)
F: Something else
1. B
2. A
3. D. > ai i au u
4. B
5. B
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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by vo1dwalk3r » 21 Mar 2018 17:17

1. C (Shimo's suggestion)
2. A
3. D: i > i, ɪ > ǝ, u > au, ʊ > ə
4. A
5. B

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by spanick » 21 Mar 2018 17:53

1. C (ai > εː ; au > ɔː
2. C
3. C
4. E (æ > ε ; ɑ > æ)
5. B

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Nachtuil » 28 Mar 2018 02:24

1. (Shimo's suggestions is good)
2. A
3. C
4. B
5. B

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 28 Mar 2018 12:21

I would like to give Shimobaatar recognition for the cool new ideas I wouldn't have thought of, pretty much each round he has something cool to add. Keep it up!
Results are in:
1: c(Shimo's)- aɩ aʊ >e o
2: a- wait a sec, we just removed aɩ lol
3: d(tied so I picked Shimo's)-i>i u>u ɩ>e ʊ>o
4: b-æ,ɑ>a
5: b-ʌ>ǝ
Now onto the last round of our vowel shift:
1: e: e ɛ
We have a lot of front mid vowels. Should we keep this, or change it?
A. Keep it
B. ɛ>e
C. e>ɛ
D. Something else
2: should /a/ be counted as a front vowel (thus palatalizing consonants)?
A: Yes
B: No
C: Something else
3: Should be delete final vowels?
A: No
B: Yes
C: Only where it would make a legal syllable
D: Something else

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by shimobaatar » 28 Mar 2018 19:50

CarsonDaConlanger wrote:
28 Mar 2018 12:21
I would like to give Shimobaatar recognition for the cool new ideas I wouldn't have thought of
Ahh, thank you, that's very nice of you to say!

1: c
2: b
3: d (Delete short non-high vowels, lower short high vowels, and shorten long vowels word-finally, unless deletion would result in an illegal syllable.)

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Nachtuil » 28 Mar 2018 21:49

1. C (I could go either way with A or C honestly)
2. B
3. A

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Nachtuil » 11 Apr 2018 01:05

clear! *bump*

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by idov » 13 Apr 2018 06:06

1. B
2. A
3. D (Shimo's suggestion)

Hmm. It's like it's telling me something. What is the inventory like, by the way, at this stage?
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: American English Derived Collablang!

Post by Nachtuil » 14 Apr 2018 04:22

I am curious too. I am interested to see what happens when we get to grammar too.

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