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Thandazhi (1st Triconsonantal Conlang)

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » 14 Mar 2018 04:42

A new baby conlang I birthed out. It's pretty rough right now, I've never worked with triconsonantal conlangs before, and I'm already neck-deep in trying to make sense of all the mountains of new info. Akkadian, Arabic, and Hebrew are languages I've wanted to play with because of their unique morphological system, so everything below is very heavily influenced by those three. Most of the roots I made up or took from preexisting words from other languages. This came from a place of requiring a conlang with phonological stability (for the most part) and still having complex morphology. That, and my most recent conlang before this one was frustratingly weird to work with. Let's see where this one goes.


x-t "retreat"
xeti, xet "s/he retreated"

PAST:
xetle "I retreated"
xetti "you retreated"

NONPAST:
nexti, nextu "I retreat"
textu "you retreat"
jextu "s/he retreats"


g-n "pierce, stab"

PAST:
ganli "I stabbed"
ganti "you stabbed"
gani "s/he pierced, stabbed"

NONPAST:
nagni, nagnu? lagnu? lagni? "I stab"
tagnu "you stab"
jagnu "s/he stabs"
d-z "eat"

PAST:
dazla "I ate"
dazta "you ate"
dazi, daza "s/he ate"

NONPAST:
nadzi? nadzu "I eat"
tadzu "you eat"
jadzu "s/he eats"

w-y "be, live, breathe"
PAST: wiːla, wajla "I was, I breathed, I lived"
wiːta, wajta "you were, breathed"
wiya "s/he were, breathed"

NONP: nawiː, nawju? nawiw? "I am, I breathe, I live"
tawiw, tawju, tuːju? "you are, you breathe"
jawiw, jawju, juːju? "s/he is, breathes"

wuyam "life, breath"

jawju wujam "she breathes a breath; she lives a life"

ħ-m "breathe"

ħumma "breath"


d-b "take, pull, draw"
n-d-b "take off, pull away, draw out, discover; reveal"

d-d-b "take on, pull in, draw in"

b-d "bring, carry"
bdaːllu "a carrying, a bringing"
> ˈbaːdillu "birthing, begetting" > ˈbaːdillwaː(m) "birth; beginning"
naˈbidlu "I birth, I beget"
taˈbidtu "you birth, beget"
jaˈbidu "s/he births, begets"

baˈdila "I birthed, bore, begot"
baˈdita "you birth, bore, begot"
baˈdala "s/he birthed, bore, begot"

badˈliːlla "mother, parent" (the one that begets)

l-b-d "bring together, gather, amass, congregate"
laːbdam "peace, togetherness, unity"
g-n (pierce, stab), gani
> gannak- (result of piercing/stabbing) "enter, break, rip, destroy"

s-b "give"
s-b-y "give" ??

w-s-b "provide, supply"
wasˈbiːllum "father, parent" (the one that provides)

saˈyiːlla (?) "corpse, lost soul; dying person" (the one that dies) ?

sarˈkiːlla "sleepwalker" ("the one that goes into Otherworld")

b-l-m "strike, lash, attack; subdue"

baʕlmut "whip" > belmot

k-ʃ-d "conquer"

kaʃˈdiːlla, kaʃˈdaːlla, kisˈdiːlla "conqueror"
ikʃidˈmaʃi "domination" ??

r-k-w "steal"
rukwa "theft"
raˈkwiːlla "thief"
irkuˈmaʃi "stealth, sleight, trickery, deception" ??
(i+-rkw-+ˈmaʃi)

iʒdiˈmaʃi "struggle, strife; competition"
(dʒ-d-y)

titnu kaʃdiːlli "the field of the conqueror"
jaʒdi "s/he fights"

adʒiˈdaːj ʃawwaˈtaːj "brave warrior"
dʒidlu~dʒildu "battlefield, arena, battle ground"

jaʒdi adʒiˈdaːj ʃawwaˈtaːj bin-dʒildu. "The brave warrior fights on the battlefield."

θ-n-d
θanˈdaʒʒum "Thandazh, Thandazhi person"
θanˈdila "I spoke Thandazhi"
naθˈnadi, laθˈnadi "I speak Thandazhi"
θindu "Thandazhi homeland"

In the conworld, this part of the world is known as the Thindu Riverlands, home to the "River of Dead Flames:"

ˈjaːwiriː lakuː sajˈjuruː
Spoiler:
(river)+(GEN) (fire)+(pl.) (dead)+(pl.)

t-n "stretch"
t-t-n "expansive, vast"
titnu "grassland, field" C-i-C-C-u ("place/location of" noun pattern)
titˈnarru "grasslands"
titˈnarru θanˈdaʒʒi "grasslands of the Thandazhi people"
θanˈdaʒʒi "(of the) Thandazhi people"
I like my languages how I like my women: grammatically complex with various moods and tenses, a thin line between nouns and verbs, and dozens upon dozens of possible conjugations for every single verb.

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Re: Thandazhi (1st Triconsonantal Conlang)

Post by Scytheria » 14 Mar 2018 14:56

I'm a fan already. I like triconsonantal (and other such) roots, but don't use them myself much these days. I have toyed with consonant and roving vowel roots; GORD --> --> GOROD --> GROUD --> GROD etc, but lost the impetus to follow it through. In Thandazhi, is there a consistent way that words with related meanings are derived from the roots, or are you going on an etymological route, where as long as the root is retained in some form anything goes?
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Re: Thandazhi (1st Triconsonantal Conlang)

Post by Inkcube-Revolver » 14 Mar 2018 16:31

Scytheria wrote:
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In Thandazhi, is there a consistent way that words with related meanings are derived from the roots, or are you going on an etymological route, where as long as the root is retained in some form anything goes?
It's a bit of both, I'm using some onomatopoeia for the consonant roots themselves and shaping the words in ways I like, while also going back and making everything feel consistent with the derivational patterns. Because of the patterns necessitating that they be fixed for the most part, I get weird clusters like gibnu, gbela, and fgītlum for some of the roots; some of them I like because they are very different from how I would normally do derivations. Others sound cluttered and gross. What also helps is doing what Proto-Afro-Asiatic and Proto-Semitic seem to have done, which is fuse particles and other word-types together to form new roots. An example I can give of this is from Hebrew, with these three tri-radical (three-consonant set) roots indicate an original bi-radical root (two-consonant set):

g-z-z "shear"
g-z-m "prune"
g-z-r "cut"

so *g-z probably meant something like "cut, separate," and the other radicals at one point being separate particles of a verbal or nominal nature, which gets me giddy.

I'm doing my best to keep it fun, for when I start working out the diachronic histories, despite loving it in concept, it eventually really bogs down the fun-factor.

I'm glad you like it, Scytheria!
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Re: Thandazhi (1st Triconsonantal Conlang)

Post by Ahzoh » 14 Mar 2018 21:55

Have to keep in mind that these 2con roots were a minority compared to already extant 3con roots.

Easy way to get a 3con system is to use vowel-specific umlauts and do vowel syncope and some added vowel epenthesis.
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