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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 16 Dec 2018 03:48

The results are in!

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98) How should /t͡s d͡z/ be written?
a) /t͡s d͡z/ - <ç z>

99) How should /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ be written?
b) /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g>

100) How should /f v s z ʃ/ be written?
a) /f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ would be <sc> before front vowels)

101) Previously, Stephen I had named his son Eustace as heir to the Brettaniot throne. Unfortunately, Eustace died in 1153 CE, while Stephen I was still king. Who should Stephen I name as his heir now, to avoid another dispute?
b) Enri, Count of Champagne - the nephew of Stephen I (also of the House of Blois)

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102) Should we make it so that the sound change /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/ does not apply in certain conditions?
a) It should not apply after consonant clusters.
b) It should not apply after consonant clusters or semivowels.
c) It should apply everywhere.
d) Other.

103) This question depends on the outcome of #102. If you chose an option which would result in not changing the conditions of /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/, you do not have to vote on this question. What should be the outcome of /ea/?
a) /ea/ > /e/
b) /ea/ > /a/
c) /ea/ > /ia/
d) Other.

104) How should /ai au/ be written?
a) /ai au/ - <ai au>
b) Same as a but they can also appear as <ay aw>.
c) Other.

105) This question depends on the outcome of #102. If you chose an option which would result in not changing the conditions of /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/, you do not have to vote on this question. How should /oi eu ei ou/ be written?
a) /oi eu ei ou/ - <oi eu ei ou>
b) Same as a but they can also appear as <oy ew ey ow>.
c) Other.

106) It is 1202 CE, and Tibaut I (son of Enri I) is the current king of Britain. Phillip II of France wages war against Britain, and demands that British domains in France be put back under French control. How should Tibaut I proceed?
a) He should respond by sending army men to protect his domains in Normandy and fight Phillip II's forces.
b) He should try to negotiate a treaty with Phillip II to avoid any conflict.
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ai au/ - <>
Voting closes the Saturday after next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or the Sunday after next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 16 Dec 2018 04:03

102: c
103: a b
104: b (<ai au> typically, <ay aw> finally)
105: b (<oi eu ei ou> typically, <oy ew ey ow> finally)
106: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 16 Dec 2018 18:43

102: C
103: A
104: B
105: B
106: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 18 Dec 2018 19:23

102) B
103) A
104) B
105) B
106) B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 18 Dec 2018 22:20

102 b
103 b
104 b
105 b
106 a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » 19 Dec 2018 18:15

102. C
103. B
104. B
105.
106. A
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 30 Dec 2018 03:53

The results are in!

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102) Should we make it so that the sound change /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/ does not apply in certain conditions?
c) It should apply everywhere.

104) How should /ai au/ be written?
b) /ai au/ - <ai au> (can also appear as <ay aw>)

105) This question depends on the outcome of #102. If you chose an option which would result in not changing the conditions of /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/, you do not have to vote on this question. How should /oi eu ei ou/ be written?
b) /oi eu ei ou/ - <oi eu ei ou> (can also appear as <oy ew ey ow>)

106) It is 1202 CE, and Tibaut I (son of Enri I) is the current king of Britain. Phillip II of France wages war against Britain, and demands that British domains in France be put back under French control. How should Tibaut I proceed?
a) He should respond by sending army men to protect his domains in Normandy and fight Phillip II's forces.

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103) This question depends on the outcome of #102. If you chose an option which would result in not changing the conditions of /oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/, you do not have to vote on this question. What should be the outcome of /ea/?
a) /ea/ > /e/
b) /ea/ > /a/

This question ended in a tie, but is now null and void due to the outcome of #102.

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107) What should be the fate of clusters like /wj/ and /jw/ when occurring after a consonant? An example might be the recent loanword <jueu> /d͡ʒwjo/, from Old French jueu "jew". There could be more in words that have yet to be created.
a) /wj jw/ > /uj iw/
b) /wj jw/ > /oj ew/
c) /wj jw/ > /wi ju/ (Proposed by this_is_an_account)
d) Other.

108) Should the diphthongs /oi eu ei ou/ be reintroduced through loanwords?
a) No.
b) Yes.
c) Yes, but only /ei ou/.
d) Yes, but only /oi eu/. (Proposed by shimobaatar)
e) Other.

109) Tibaut I was able to successfully defeat Phillip II and maintain his territories in Normandy and Blois, but was killed in the process. It is now 1207 CE, and no specific heir was declared since Tibaut I's death was so sudden. Out of the main contenders for the throne, who should become the new king of England?
a) Tibaut, Prince of Dygnunia - 4-year-old son of Tibaut I
b) Louis VIII of France - Ironically, he was the maternal cousin of Tibaut I
c) Sancho VII of Navarre - Brother-in-law of Tibaut I
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ai au/ - <ai~ay au~aw>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 30 Dec 2018 04:08

107: b
108: d (yes, but only /oi eu/)
109: a c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 30 Dec 2018 08:20

107: C - /wj jw/ → /wi ju/
108: C
109: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 30 Dec 2018 16:46

107. A
108. D - shimobaatar's proposal
109. C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 08 Jan 2019 20:48

107: C
108: C
109: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 12 Jan 2019 10:20

107. D - /wj jw/ > /j w/
108. D
109. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 14 Jan 2019 00:16

The results are in!

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107) What should be the fate of clusters like /wj/ and /jw/ when occurring after a consonant? An example might be the recent loanword <jueu> /d͡ʒwjo/, from Old French jueu "jew". There could be more in words that have yet to be created.
c) /wj jw/ > /wi ju/ (Proposed by this_is_an_account)

108) Should the diphthongs /oi eu ei ou/ be reintroduced through loanwords?
d) Yes, but only /oi eu/. (Proposed by shimobaatar)

109) Tibaut I was able to successfully defeat Phillip II and maintain his territories in Normandy and Blois, but was killed in the process. It is now 1207 CE, and no specific heir was declared since Tibaut I's death was so sudden. Out of the main contenders for the throne, who should become the new king of England?
a) Tibaut, Prince of Dygnunia - 4-year-old son of Tibaut I

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110) What should be the fate of unstressed /o/?
a) It should be retained.
b) It should become /ə/ <o>.
c) b but it's written as <e>.
d) b but it's written as <a>.
e) It disappears.
f) It gets turned into /ø ~œ/. (proposed by IEPH)
g) Other.

111) How should the clusters /kw gw/ be written before front vowels?
a) /kw gw/ - <qu gu>
b) /kw gw/ - <cu gu>
c) /kw gw/ - <cu ghu>
d) /kw gw/ - <cw gw>
e) /kw gw/ - <cw ghw>
f) Other.

112) How should final /k/ be written?
a) /k/ - <c~ck~k> (English)
b) /k/ - <c~cq~q>
c) /k/ - <c~q>
d) /k/ - <c>
e) /k/ - <k>
f) Other.

113) It is now 1255 CE, and Tibaut II has died without a male heir. His son-in-law, John of Brittany, is crowned the King of Britain alongside his wife (Tibaut II's daughter), but he gives her no legislative power, only using her as leverage to secure the Brettaniot throne. This now means that Britain now has control over the Kingdom of Navarre, the Duchy of Normandy, the County of Blois, and the County of Champagne. France is angered by the Brettaniot takeover of more French territories, and the Brettaniot nobles are angry that a Breton outsider has taken the throne. A war breaks out between John I, France, and the Brettaniot nobles. What should be the outcome?
a) A compromise is made where Brettaniot territories in France are given back to France.
b) Same as a but Blanque de Navarr (Tibaut II's daughter) is given legislative power.
c) Same as a but the power of the Brettaniot king is limited, and a legislative body is formed similar to the Great Council.
d) Blanque de Navarr (Tibaut II's daughter) is given legislative power.
e) The power of the Brettaniot king is limited, and a legislative body is formed similar to the Great Council.
f) France defeats Britain, and turns it into a vassal state. To please the nobles, a native Brettaniot king, Goronoy d'Ednyved, is crowned king.
g) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/oi ai eu au/ - <oi~oy ai~ay eu~ew au~aw>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 14 Jan 2019 01:19

110: a
111: b c
112: a b c
113: d e

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 14 Jan 2019 02:40

110: A
111: B
112: D
113: A/B/D/F

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 14 Jan 2019 04:25

110) f (It gets turned into /ø ~œ/)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 18 Jan 2019 18:34

110) f
111) c
112)b
113) a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 18 Jan 2019 23:21

110. B D
111. B
112. B C
113. B D

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 20 Jan 2019 14:16

The results are in!

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111) How should the clusters /kw gw/ be written before front vowels?
b) /kw gw/ - <cu gu>

112) How should final /k/ be written?
b) /k/ - <c~cq~q>

113) It is now 1255 CE, and Tibaut II has died without a male heir. His son-in-law, John of Brittany, is crowned the King of Britain alongside his wife (Tibaut II's daughter), but he gives her no legislative power, only using her as leverage to secure the Brettaniot throne. This now means that Britain now has control over the Kingdom of Navarre, the Duchy of Normandy, the County of Blois, and the County of Champagne. France is angered by the Brettaniot takeover of more French territories, and the Brettaniot nobles are angry that a Breton outsider has taken the throne. A war breaks out between John I, France, and the Brettaniot nobles. What should be the outcome?
d) Blanque de Navarr (Tibaut II's daughter) is given legislative power.

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This question ended in a tie, so it will be voted on again.

110) What should be the fate of unstressed /o/?
a) It should be retained.
f) It gets turned into /ø ~œ/. (proposed by IEPH)

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114) What sound changes would you like to see occur in Middle Brettaniot?
Your proposals will be listed here as answer choices so they can be voted on.

115) The subjunctive mood was lost as a distinction in verbal conjugations early in the history of Middle Brettaniot. How should the subjunctive mood be indicated?
Your proposals will be listed here as answer choices so they can be voted on.

116) Who should John I and Blanque I name as their heir to the Brettaniot throne?
a) John, Prince of Dygnunia - Eldest son of the ruling monarchs.
b) Alix de Brittany - Daughter of the ruling monarchs. Her marriage to a Brettaniot noble would satisfy the bitter nobility of Britain (especially since their future descendants would all be of Brettaniot heritage), decreasing the tension between the ruling family and Brettaniot landowners.
c) Other.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/oi ai eu au/ - <oi~oy ai~ay eu~ew au~aw>
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 25 Jan 2019 20:10

110: a
114: If /oi eu/ > /we jo/, where do the /oi eu/ in the phonemic inventory come from?
115: No special marking for the subjunctive.
116: b

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