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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 26 Jan 2019 08:11

shimobaatar wrote:
25 Jan 2019 20:10
114: If /oi eu/ > /we jo/, where do the /oi eu/ in the phonemic inventory come from?
I believe it comes from loanwords.

110: A
114: /ai au/ > /ei ou/
116: B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 27 Jan 2019 03:11

this_is_an_account wrote:
26 Jan 2019 08:11
shimobaatar wrote:
25 Jan 2019 20:10
114: If /oi eu/ > /we jo/, where do the /oi eu/ in the phonemic inventory come from?
I believe it comes from loanwords.

110: A
114: /ai au/ > /ei ou/
116: B
Yep. Any instances of /oi eu/ come from loanwords.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 27 Jan 2019 03:31

The results are in!

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This question ended in a tie, so it was voted on again.

110) What should be the fate of unstressed /o/?
a) It should be retained.

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116) Who should John I and Blanque I name as their heir to the Brettaniot throne?
b) Alix de Brittany - Daughter of the ruling monarchs. Her marriage to a Brettaniot noble would satisfy the bitter nobility of Britain (especially since their future descendants would all be of Brettaniot heritage), decreasing the tension between the ruling family and Brettaniot landowners.

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Should we accept these proposals?

114) What sound changes would you like to see occur in Middle Brettaniot?
The diphthongs /ai au/ will become /ei ou/. (proposed by this_is_an_account)
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

115) The subjunctive mood was lost as a distinction in verbal conjugations early in the history of Middle Brettaniot. How should the subjunctive mood be indicated?
There will be no special marking for the subjunctive. (proposed by shimobaatar)
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

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117) Should Middle Brettaniot develop consonant mutation like the Celtic languages of the British Isles?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

118) What should happen to the verbal conjugations of Middle Brettaniot?
a) The plural verb forms should collapse into a single "plural" conjugation.
b) The future tense should be lost, being replaced with auxillary verbs.
c) Other.

119) What should happen to unstressed /u/?
a) It should be retained.
b) It should become /ə/ <o>.
c) b but it's written as <e>.
d) b but it's written as <a>.
e) It becomes /ɨ/.
f) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ei oi eu ou/ - <ai~ay oi~oy eu~ew au~aw>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 27 Jan 2019 05:51

Wait, shouldn't we vote on whether or not to accept the proposals for 114 and 115?

117: b
118: a
119: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 27 Jan 2019 08:58

117: B
118: B
119: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 27 Jan 2019 16:45

shimobaatar wrote:
27 Jan 2019 05:51
Wait, shouldn't we vote on whether or not to accept the proposals for 114 and 115?

117: b
118: a
119: a
We could, but since there was only one proposal for each, I decided to leave it at that. I'll add those questions again to see if we accept those proposals or not.

EDIT: I added the two questions to be voted on again.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 27 Jan 2019 17:21

114: b
115: a
117: b
118: a
119: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 27 Jan 2019 18:25

114: A
115: A
117: B
118: B
119: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 28 Jan 2019 02:08

114. A
115. A
117. B
118. B
119. B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 30 Jan 2019 14:24

114. A
115. B
117. B
118. A
119: E

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 03 Feb 2019 03:11

The results are in!

Should we accept these proposals?

114) What sound changes would you like to see occur in Middle Brettaniot?
The diphthongs /ai au/ will become /ei ou/. (proposed by this_is_an_account)
a) Yes.

115) The subjunctive mood was lost as a distinction in verbal conjugations early in the history of Middle Brettaniot. How should the subjunctive mood be indicated?
There will be no special marking for the subjunctive. (proposed by shimobaatar)
a) Yes.

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117) Should Middle Brettaniot develop consonant mutation like the Celtic languages of the British Isles?
b) No.

118) What should happen to the verbal conjugations of Middle Brettaniot?
b) The future tense should be lost, being replaced with auxillary verbs.

119) What should happen to unstressed /u/?
a) It should be retained.

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120) Should the phoneme /h/ enter Middle Brettaniot through loanwords?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

121) What verb construction will be used for the future tense?
a) present tense of voler "to want" + infinitive
b) present tense of spierer "to hope" + infinitive
c) present tense of aver "to have" + infinitive
d) conditional tense of voler "to want" + infinitive
e) conditional tense of spierer "to hope" + infinitive
f) conditional tense of aver "to have" + infinitive
g) Other.

122) What verb construction should be used for perfect verbs?
a) appropriate tense for aver "to have" + past participle
b) appropriate tense for estar "to be" + past participle
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ei oi eu ou/ - <ai~ay oi~oy eu~ew au~aw>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 03 Feb 2019 13:37

120: b
121: b
122: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 04 Feb 2019 02:45

120. B - no, /h/ in loanwords becomes /k/ <h~ch>
121. C E F
122. B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » 04 Feb 2019 09:52

120: B
121: F
122: A
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 10 Feb 2019 14:19

The results are in!

120) Should the phoneme /h/ enter Middle Brettaniot through loanwords?
b) No.

121) What verb construction will be used for the future tense?
f) conditional tense of aver "to have" + infinitive

122) What verb construction should be used for perfect verbs?
a) appropriate tense for aver "to have" + past participle

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123) Should unstressed /ə/ be dropped word-finally?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

124) It is 1328 CE, and the King of France, Charles IV, has died without a male heir. He was the brother-in-law of Enri II, the King of Britain, who married his sister, Isabella of France. This means that Enri II's 18-year-old son and heir apparent, Enri de Dygnunia, could make a claim to the French throne as Charles IV's closest male relative. Despite the Salic law that France has recently implemented, should Enri II try to make a claim for his son as the king of France?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ei oi eu ou/ - <ai~ay oi~oy eu~ew au~aw>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 10 Feb 2019 14:24

123: b
124: b

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