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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 25 Feb 2019 05:44

125: B
126: A

For the source of long vowels, I think it would be cool for them to come from diphthongs, e.g.

ei, oi, eu, ou → iː, ei, ou, uː → iː, eː, oː, uː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ei, ei, ou, ou → iː, iː, uː, uː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ei, ei, ou, ou → eː, eː, oː, oː
ei, oi, eu, ou → eː, oː, eː, oː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ii, ui, iu, uu → iː, ɯː, yː, uː

(That last one is pretty weird, but maybe /ɯː/ can lower and shorten and merge with /ə/.)
If we decide to introduce /ai au/, they may or may not be included in these changes as well, an /oi eu/ might not change either, or might become /ei ou/.
Also, will we ever talk about dialectal variation?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 25 Feb 2019 12:07

125: b (this_is_an_account's suggestion of "ei, oi, eu, ou → iː, ei, ou, uː → iː, eː, oː, uː", with /ai au/ unaffected if reintroduced)
126: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 27 Feb 2019 03:40

this_is_an_account wrote:
25 Feb 2019 05:44
Also, will we ever talk about dialectal variation?
It would be interesting to vote on. We could vote on how the dialects are divided in the British Isles, or exactly what would set them apart from each other.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 04 Mar 2019 07:24

125. A
126. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 10 Mar 2019 15:58

The results are in!

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126) Should the phonemes /ai au/ be reintroduced through loanwords?
a) Yes.

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There was a 3-way tie for this question so it will be voted on again.

125) Should Middle Brettaniot develop a phonemic length distinction?
a) Yes, through sound changes such as /VCə/ > /VːC/. This would lead to words such as niçe /nit͡sə/ "nice" being pronounced as [niːt͡s]
b) Yes, but new long vowels are created through diphthongs. (proposed by this_is_an_account) - The exact sound changes will be shown in detail right underneath this question.
c) Same as b but /ai au/ are unaffected if they are introduced (proposed by shimobaatar)
d) ei, oi, eu, ou → iː, ei, ou, uː → iː, eː, oː, uː (proposed by shimobaatar)
Spoiler:
ei, oi, eu, ou → iː, ei, ou, uː → iː, eː, oː, uː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ei, ei, ou, ou → iː, iː, uː, uː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ei, ei, ou, ou → eː, eː, oː, oː
ei, oi, eu, ou → eː, oː, eː, oː
ei, oi, eu, ou → ii, ui, iu, uu → iː, ɯː, yː, uː
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127) How should /ai au/ be written?
a) /ai au/ <ae ao> (proposed by shimobaatar)
Suggest different options here!

128) What dialectical divide should we implement in Middle Brettaniot?
a) North-South divide (Less Norman influence / More Norman influence)
b) East-West divide (More Brythonic influence / Less Brythonic influence)
c) Northwest-Southeast divide (More Nordic influence / Less Nordic influence)
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ? eu~ew au~aw ?>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 10 Mar 2019 16:55

125: d (ei, oi, eu, ou → iː, ei, ou, uː → iː, eː, oː, uː)
127: a (/ai au/ <ae ao>)
128: b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 10 Mar 2019 19:03

125: D
127: A
128: C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 10 Mar 2019 21:22

125.a
127.a
128.a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 10 Mar 2019 21:43

125 a
127 a
128 b
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 13 Mar 2019 05:38

125: A
127: A
128: C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 17 Mar 2019 03:08

The results are in!

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125) Should Middle Brettaniot develop a phonemic length distinction?
a) Yes, through sound changes such as /VCə/ > /VːC/. This would lead to words such as niçe /nit͡sə/ "nice" being pronounced as [niːt͡s]

127) How should /ai au/ be written?
a) /ai au/ <ae ao> (proposed by shimobaatar)

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There was a 2-way tie for this question so it will be voted on again.

128) What dialectical divide should we implement in Middle Brettaniot?
b) East-West divide (More Brythonic influence / Less Brythonic influence)
c) Northwest-Southeast divide (More Nordic influence / Less Nordic influence)

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129) How should long vowels be written?
a) No orthographic change - /Vː/ <V…e> (proposed by shimobaatar)
Propose ideas to be voted on here!

130) What should happen to /t͡s d͡z/?
a) Both are retained
b) /d͡z/ > /z/
c) /t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ç z ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss s sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <? ? ? ? ?>
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ae eu~ew au~aw ao>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 17 Mar 2019 03:24

128: b
129: (No orthographic change - /Vː/ <V…e>)
130: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 17 Mar 2019 20:50

128. C
129. A
130. C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 17 Mar 2019 21:34

128: b
129: a
130: c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 20 Mar 2019 17:25

128: B
129: A
130: C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 20 Mar 2019 19:03

128: C
129: A
130: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » 20 Mar 2019 23:38

128. C
129. A
130. D (/ts dz/ > /js jz/ after vowels, > /s z/ elsewhere)
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 21 Mar 2019 04:22

128-c
129-a
130-c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 07 Apr 2019 22:04

The results are in!

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128) What dialectical divide should we implement in Middle Brettaniot?
c) Northwest-Southeast divide (More Nordic influence / Less Nordic influence)

129) How should long vowels be written?
a) No orthographic change - /Vː/ <V…e> (proposed by shimobaatar)

130) What should happen to /t͡s d͡z/?
c) /t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/

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131) It is 1473 CE, and King Enri VI has died without an heir. There are several contenders for the Brettaniot throne. Who should be the next king?
a) Louis XI of France - 1st Cousin of Enri VI through his mother, Catherine de Valois
b) Afonso V of Portugal - 2nd Cousin of Enri VI (His claim is more legitimate since he is actually descended from a previous Brettaniot monarch, Blanque II and her husband John II)
c) Eduard of Buraco - 2nd Cousin of Enri VI (He is descended from John II)
d) Other.

132) In what year (within this alternate timeline) should we stop this thread?
a) 1600 CE
b) 1700 CE
c) 1800 CE
d) 1900 CE
e) Present Day
f) Other.

133) What should happen to the sounds /ɲ ʎ/ in coda position?
a) They are retained.
b) /ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/
c) /ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʒ/
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nʒ ʒ/
e) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
And here's the current phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y u e e~a o a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ae eu~ew au~aw ao>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 07 Apr 2019 22:45

131) c
132) e
133) b
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