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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 29 Apr 2019 11:27

138: a (/ei oi eu ou/ > /oi oi eu eu/ > /we we jo jo/)
139: b
140: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 29 Apr 2019 22:20

138. B) /e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
139. B
140. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 29 Apr 2019 22:35

138) a
139) b
140) a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 30 Apr 2019 05:19

138: B
139: B
140: B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Herra Ratatoskr » 30 Apr 2019 05:22

138: B
139: B
140: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 05 May 2019 20:46

The results are in!

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138) This will be the last sound change in Middle Brettaniot. What sound change would you like to see in Middle Brettaniot?
b) /e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed) (proposed by gokupwned5)

139) Should Middle Brettaniot keep the conditional tense?
b) Yes, but it should become the new future tense.

140) It is 1485 CE, and a Genoese man named Cristofor Colombu has proposed an idea on how to get to East Asia and bypass the Ottomans. He proposes that King John III give him three ships and a year's time to sail across the Atlantic to find a route to East Asia. Should John III accept?
a) Yes.

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141) It is 1500 CE. Should Britain and Portugal unify as a single country?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

142) What should happen with Brettaniot's long vowels?
a) They merge with their short counterparts.
b) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu iː uː æː/
c) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu iː uː ɒː/
d) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou au/
e) The long vowels remain unscathed. (proposed by GoshDiggityDangit)
f) Other.

143) What construction should Early Modern Brettaniot use for its conditional tense?
a) present tense of voler "to want" + verb infinitive
b) past tense of voler "to want" + verb infinitive
c) future tense of voler "to want" + verb infinitive
d) Other.

144) The land that Cristofor Colombu has found may have gold that could benefit Portugal and Britain. Should we send colonizers and settlers to this new found land?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

Note: For any proposals made for #143, some other auxiliary verbs that could be chosen are estar "to be" and esperar "to hope".

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
And here's the finalized phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y~ai~ay u~au~aw e~ae o~ao a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ae eu~ew au~aw ao>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 05 May 2019 20:56

141) b
142) e- Long vowels remain unscathed
143) c
144) b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 05 May 2019 20:59

141: b
142: a
143: c
144: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 05 May 2019 21:42

141. B
142. E
143. C
144. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 05 May 2019 21:58

141: B
142: E
143: C
144: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 12 May 2019 12:47

The results are in!

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141) It is 1500 CE. Should Britain and Portugal unify as a single country?
b) No.

142) What should happen with Brettaniot's long vowels?
e) The long vowels remain unscathed. (proposed by GoshDiggityDangit)

143) What construction should Early Modern Brettaniot use for its conditional tense?
c) future tense of voler "to want" + verb infinitive

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This question was tied between two answers. It will be voted on again.

144) The land that Cristofor Colombu has found may have gold that could benefit Portugal and Britain. Should we send colonizers and settlers to this new found land?
a) Yes.
b) No.

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145) Should Early Modern Brettaniot have an orthography reform to better match the later phonology of Middle Brettaniot?
a) Yes.
b) No.

146) What sound changes would you like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) Long vowels merge with their short counterparts. - (proposed by shimobaatar)
b) Simplification of diphtongs. - (proposed by this_is_an_account)
Proposals will go here. (These sound changes would occur after the orthography reform if it is accepted)

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
And here's the finalized phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y~ai~ay u~au~aw e~ae o~ao a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ae eu~ew au~aw ao>
Voting closes next Saturday at 20:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 00:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 12 May 2019 18:41

144: b
145: b
146: (Long vowels merge with their short counterparts.)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 12 May 2019 20:08

144: B
145: B
146: Simplification of diphtongs

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 12 May 2019 20:37

144) b
145) b
146) Simplification of diphthongs

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 19 May 2019 02:06

The results are in!

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144) The land that Cristofor Colombu has found may have gold that could benefit Portugal and Britain. Should we send colonizers and settlers to this new found land?
b) No.

145) Should Early Modern Brettaniot have an orthography reform to better match the later phonology of Middle Brettaniot?
b) No.

146) What sound changes would you like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot?
b) Simplification of diphtongs. - (proposed by this_is_an_account)

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147) What sound changes should the diphthongs undergo?
a) /Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
b) /ei oi ai eu ou au/ > /iː iː ɛː uː uː ɔː/
c) /ei oi ai eu ou au/ > /iː iː eː uː uː oː/ (proposed by shimobaatar)
d) Other.

148) Should /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be retained?
a) Yes.
b) No. (The specifics of what will happen to them will be voted on in the next set of questions.)
c) Other.

149) It is 1550 CE, and Protestantism has reached Britain. Should Britain become a Protestant country, or remain a Catholic one?
a) Britain should become Protestant.
b) Britain should remain Catholic.
c) A religious split between Protestants and Catholics. (proposed by this_is_an_account)
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
And here's the finalized phonology of Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y~ai~ay u~au~aw e~ae o~ao a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
/ei oi ai eu ou au/ - <ai~ay oi~oy ae eu~ew au~aw ao>
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 19 May 2019 02:11

147: c (/ei oi ai eu ou au/ > /iː iː eː uː uː oː/)
148: a
149: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 19 May 2019 03:15

147) a
148) a
149) c
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 19 May 2019 20:40

147: A
148: A
149: C - A religious split between protestants and catholics. If I remember correctly, we decided that there should be a dialectal divide between areas with more and less nordic influence. What if this influence lasted longer and extended beyond just linguistic influence, but also cultural and religious influence, so that the area's with more nordic influence becomes protestant, while other areas stay catholic?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 19 May 2019 21:19

Now I wish I could change my vote.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 19 May 2019 21:37

Voting is still open for this round, so you can.

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