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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 07 Jul 2019 17:16

172.d
173.d
174.b
175.c
176.d

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 07 Jul 2019 19:06

gokupwned5 wrote:
07 Jul 2019 12:27
this_is_an_account wrote:
07 Jul 2019 05:36
172: D
173: D
174: A
175: D
176: jC, əiC, eiC → Cj, əCj, eCj
maybe also wC, əuC, ouC → Cw, əCw, oCw
Would the sound changes you proposed also reply word-finally? If they did, they would also apply to words such as rose /rouz/, which would be pronounced /rozw/.
I'm not sure. Maybe these diphthongs are preserved word finally. Maybe /rouz/ does become /rozw/ which might become /roz/ or /rozu/.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 08 Jul 2019 03:35

shimobaatar wrote:
07 Jul 2019 15:38
172: b
173: d
174: c
175: d
176: d (/əi əu ei ou/ > /e(ː) o(ː) i(ː) u(ː)/)
gokupwned5 wrote:
07 Jul 2019 03:52
168) The colonists we sent have landed in OTL New York (OTL means our timeline), and made a settlement. What should this new settlement be called?
a) New York - proposed by shimobaatar
Wow, really? I didn't even vote for that. [xD]
That was the one that got the most votes.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 08 Jul 2019 03:35

this_is_an_account wrote:
07 Jul 2019 19:06
gokupwned5 wrote:
07 Jul 2019 12:27
this_is_an_account wrote:
07 Jul 2019 05:36
172: D
173: D
174: A
175: D
176: jC, əiC, eiC → Cj, əCj, eCj
maybe also wC, əuC, ouC → Cw, əCw, oCw
Would the sound changes you proposed also reply word-finally? If they did, they would also apply to words such as rose /rouz/, which would be pronounced /rozw/.
I'm not sure. Maybe these diphthongs are preserved word finally. Maybe /rouz/ does become /rozw/ which might become /roz/ or /rozu/.
That works.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 14 Jul 2019 14:38

The results are in!

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There was a tie for #172. Using a random number generator, option D was chosen.

172) What should the direct object verb clitics look like?
d) They will not be written as suffixes. They will still be written as if they are independent pronouns.

173) What should the indirect object verb clitics look like?
d) They will not be written as suffixes. They will still be written as if they are independent pronouns.

174) It is 1654 CE, and unrest is growing amongst the Protestant residents of Britain. What should King Ranucce II (grandson of Ranucce I) do about this unrest?
c) Attempt to compromise with the Protestants.

175) What naming system should be used amongst the commoners of Britain?
d) [given name] + [father's last name] + [mother's last name] (similar to Spain and Portugal)

176) What sound changes would you like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot?
d) /əi əu ei ou/ > /e(ː) o(ː) i(ː) u(ː)/ (proposed by shimobaatar)

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177) It is 1655 CE. In order to compromise with the Protestants, King Ranucce II has decided to create a parliament called the Council of the People to govern the country alongside him that is composed of commoners and nobles that are both Protestant and Catholic, although the Monarch of Britain must still be Catholic. Every 5 years, the Council elects a new Council leader (this leader is chosen from the representatives in the Council) who guides and leads the Council. The King also has a vote, but his is worth 6 votes. Ten representatives (5 nobles and 5 commoners) are chosen from each of the 8 provinces of Britain (more info about the provinces can be found below). Who should be elected as the Council leader?
a) Olivier Sursecyrb of Lundin
b) Edward Delmonts de Dynhunie
c) Jaime Stuart de Ragiçe
d) Other.

178) Should Brettaniot have an orthography reform?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

179) Should Brettaniot develop the phoneme /aː/?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Yes, but only in some dialects. (proposed by this_is_an_account)
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. For question 177, the 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 14 Jul 2019 16:50

177: c
178: b
179: b

Heh, "CBB"…

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 14 Jul 2019 17:53

177. A
178. A
179. A
shimobaatar wrote:
14 Jul 2019 16:50
177: c
178: b
179: b

Heh, "CBB"…
Heh.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 15 Jul 2019 02:55

177: a
178: b
179: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 15 Jul 2019 02:58

gokupwned5 wrote:
14 Jul 2019 17:53
shimobaatar wrote:
14 Jul 2019 16:50
177: c
178: b
179: b

Heh, "CBB"…
Heh.
Heh.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 15 Jul 2019 16:32

I made a map of the current political situation in the British Isles that I will add at the top. It can be found here.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by yangfiretiger121 » 15 Jul 2019 17:00

GoshDiggityDangit wrote:
15 Jul 2019 02:58
gokupwned5 wrote:
14 Jul 2019 17:53
shimobaatar wrote:
14 Jul 2019 16:50
177: c
178: b
179: b

Heh, "CBB"…
Heh.
Heh.
Heh.
GoshDiggityDangit wrote:
15 Jul 2019 02:55
177: a
178: b
179: a
Also, AB(B)A. Although, I can't remember their one song off the top of me head.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 15 Jul 2019 18:53

177: A
178: B
179: C, yes but only in some dialects.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by eldin raigmore » 15 Jul 2019 20:21

yangfiretiger121 wrote:
15 Jul 2019 17:00
Also, AB(B)A. Although, I can't remember their one song off the top of me head.
Take a Chance On Me
Hernando
Dancing Queen
Geez, just off the top of my head I thought of three, and I’m sixty-seven. They were not one-hit wonders.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 16 Jul 2019 01:12

gokupwned5 wrote:
15 Jul 2019 16:32
I made a map of the current political situation in the British Isles that I will add at the top. It can be found here.
Very nicely done!
eldin raigmore wrote:
15 Jul 2019 20:21
Hernando
Dancing Queen
"Waterloo" and "Mamma Mia" also come to mind for me, but if I had to guess, I'd assume they're probably thinking of "Dancing Queen".

Also, for whatever it's worth, I believe it's "Fernando", unless you're referencing an off-brand cover I've never heard. [:P]

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by yangfiretiger121 » 16 Jul 2019 13:35

eldin raigmore wrote:
15 Jul 2019 20:21
yangfiretiger121 wrote:
15 Jul 2019 17:00
Also, AB(B)A. Although, I can't remember their one song off the top of me head.
Take a Chance On Me
Dancing Queen
'Twas one of those two.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 16 Jul 2019 17:13

177.c
178.b
179.a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Yrusia » 17 Jul 2019 00:04

177)A
178)B
179)A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » 17 Jul 2019 15:11

177) C
178) B
179) C (proposed by this_is_an_account)
I quite like Happy New Year and The Winner Takes It All.
Heh.
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by eldin raigmore » 17 Jul 2019 16:56

shimobaatar wrote:
16 Jul 2019 01:12
eldin raigmore wrote:
15 Jul 2019 20:21
Hernando
Dancing Queen
"Waterloo" and "Mamma Mia" also come to mind for me, but if I had to guess, I'd assume they're probably thinking of "Dancing Queen".
Thank you 😊! @shimobaatar!
Also, for whatever it's worth, I believe it's "Fernando", unless you're referencing an off-brand cover I've never heard. [:P]
I was spelling by the ear of memory. I don’t think I ever saw the song’s title. Maybe I had always heard it wrong.
Thanks again!

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BTW As long as we’re talking about songs:
That song from “Rent” is “31,556,952 Seconds”, right?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 21 Jul 2019 04:10

The results are in!

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177) It is 1655 CE. In order to compromise with the Protestants, King Ranucce II has decided to create a parliament called the Council of the People to govern the country alongside him that is composed of commoners and nobles that are both Protestant and Catholic, although the Monarch of Britain must still be Catholic. Every 5 years, the Council elects a new Council leader (this leader is chosen from the representatives in the Council) who guides and leads the Council. The King also has a vote, but his is worth 6 votes. Ten representatives (5 nobles and 5 commoners) are chosen from each of the 8 provinces of Britain (more info about the provinces can be found below). Who should be elected as the Council leader?
a) Olivier Sursecyrb of Lundin

178) Should Brettaniot have an orthography reform?
b) No.

179) Should Brettaniot develop the phoneme /aː/?
a) Yes.

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180) This will be one of the last sound changes in Early Modern Brettaniot. How should the phoneme /aː/ be developed?
a) The phoneme /eː/ becomes /aː/ when a back vowel follows.
b) The phoneme /oː/ becomes /aː/ when a low vowel follows.
c) /eː oː/ > /jaː waː/ (in stressed syllables) (proposed by gokupwned5)
d) Other.

181) Are there any sound changes you would like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) short /e o/ → /ɛ ɔ/ (proposed by Artaxes
b) /iː uː eː oː/ > /ai au ei ou/
List your proposals here.

182) It is 1731 CE. The male line of the House of Farnese has gone extinct, and there are several candidates for the Brettaniot throne. Who should become the next king of Britain?
a) Charles III of Spain - Great-grandson of Ranucce II
b) Maria Antonia Ferdinandina of Spain - Great-granddaughter of Ranucce II
c) Mariana Victoria of Portugal
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. For question 177, the 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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