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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 21 Jul 2019 08:41

180.b
181.short /e o/ → /ɛ ɔ/
182.a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 21 Jul 2019 16:15

180. C - /eː oː/ > /jaː waː/ (in stressed syllables)
181. B - /iː uː eː oː/ > /ai au ei ou/
182. B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 21 Jul 2019 17:13

180: c
181: a
182: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 24 Jul 2019 08:37

180: B
181: A
182: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Frislander » 24 Jul 2019 23:45

180 b
181 a
182 c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 25 Jul 2019 16:48

181) a
182) c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 28 Jul 2019 03:25

The results are in!

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180) This will be one of the last sound changes in Early Modern Brettaniot. How should the phoneme /aː/ be developed?
b) The phoneme /oː/ becomes /aː/ when a low vowel follows.

181) Are there any sound changes you would like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) short /e o/ → /ɛ ɔ/ (proposed by Artaxes)

182) It is 1731 CE. The male line of the House of Farnese has gone extinct, and there are several candidates for the Brettaniot throne. Who should become the next king of Britain?
a) Charles III of Spain - Great-grandson of Ranucce II

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183) Should Spain and Britain undergo a personal union?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Britain should become a crown dependency or similar of Spain. (proposed by Frislander)
d) Other.

184) What should happen to short /i u/?
a) /i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/
b) /i u/ > /e o/
c) /i u/ > /ɪ/
d) They are retained as /i u/
e) /i u/ > /ɪ ə/ (proposed by Frislander)
f) Other.

185) What should happen to short /a/?
a) /a/ > /æ/
b) /a/ > /ɑ/
c) /a/ > /ɒ/
d) /a/ > /ɐ/
e) retained as /a/ (proposed as shimobaatar)
f) Other.

186) What should happen to the consonant clusters /tj dj sj zj/?
a) They are retained.
b) /tj dj sj zj/ > /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ ʃ ʒ/
c) /tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
d) /tj dj sj zj/ > /ʃ ʒ ʃ ʒ/
e) /tj dj sj zj/ > /t͡ʃj d͡ʒj ʃj ʒj/
f) /tj dj sj zj/ > /t͡sj d͡zj sj zj/ (proposed as shimobaatar)
g) /tj dj sj zj/ > /ts(j) dz(j) ʃ ʒ/ (proposed by Frislander)
h) Other.

187) It is 1735 CE, and Carle I of Britain has just inherited the Kingdoms of Naples and Sicily. Should these kingdoms be united with the Kingdom of Britain?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
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Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
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me
te
le
le
nus
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les
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Reflexive
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me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
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tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 28 Jul 2019 03:33

183: a
184: d
185: e (retained as /a/)
186: f (/tj dj sj zj/ > /t͡sj d͡zj sj zj/)
187: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 28 Jul 2019 05:33

183: A
184: D
185: A
186: C
187: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 28 Jul 2019 11:41

183.a
184.d
185.e
186.c
187.a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Frislander » 28 Jul 2019 20:03

183) c - become a crown dependency or similar of Spain
184) e - /i u/ > /ɪ ə/
185) e
186) g - /ts(j) dz(j) ʃ ʒ/
187) b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Yrusia » 29 Jul 2019 02:37

183) b
184) c
185) a
186) c
187) b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 29 Jul 2019 05:07

183) B
184) A
185) A
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 01 Aug 2019 20:14

183. A
184. A
185. A
186. B
187. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 04 Aug 2019 17:45

The results are in!

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183) Should Spain and Britain undergo a personal union?
a) Yes.

184) What should happen to short /i u/?
d) They are retained as /i u/

185) What should happen to short /a/?
a) /a/ > /æ/

186) What should happen to the consonant clusters /tj dj sj zj/?
c) /tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/

187) It is 1735 CE, and Carle I of Britain has just inherited the Kingdoms of Naples and Sicily. Should these kingdoms be united with the Kingdom of Britain?
a) Yes.

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188) What sound changes would you like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot? These will be the some of the last sound changes to happen.
a) /s z/ → /ʃ ʒ/ after /u i j w/ (proposed by Artaxes)
b) /ə/ is lost in medial syllables between two single consonants. (proposed by shimobaatar)
List your proposals here!

189) What should happen to the long vowels of Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) They should be retained.
b) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ei ou iː uː eː/ (similar to Early Modern English)
c) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /iː uː ei ou eː/ (similar to option B)
d) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /iː uː ei ou aː/
e) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ai au ei ou au/
f) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ai au ei ou ai/
g) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ai au ei ou aː/
h) Before any diphthongization, long vowels are shortened outside of stressed, open syllables. (proposed by shimobaatar)
i) Other.

190) What should happen to the consonants /ɲ ʎ/? This will be the last sound change in Early Modern Brettaniot.
a) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/
b) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nd͡ʒ ld͡ʒ/
c) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/ (they become /jn jl/ after vowels)
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.
e) Other.

191) The colonists of New York are up in arms, and are not happy with a foreign king ruling Britain. The colonists are also dissatisfied with how the government is being run. How should the British Council respond?
a) They should ignore them.
b) They should allow the colonists to have equal representation in the government.
c) They should have an elected representative for the colonists that is chosen by those living in Britain, not those living in the colonies.
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 04 Aug 2019 18:01

188. /s z/ → /ʃ ʒ/ after /u i j w/
189.a
190.c
191.b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 04 Aug 2019 18:43

188: b (/ə/ is lost in medial syllables between two single consonants.)
189: h (Before any diphthongization, long vowels are shortened outside of stressed, open syllables.)
190: d (/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.)
191: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 05 Aug 2019 02:55

188: a
189: a
190: c
191: c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 05 Aug 2019 05:04

188: D
189: H
190: D
191: C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 05 Aug 2019 14:41

In my opinion the long vowels should be saved.

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