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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 09 Sep 2018 03:10

78: b
79: b
80: a
81: d (/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 09 Sep 2018 03:39

78) a
80) a
81) d (/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Tanni » 09 Sep 2018 14:24

gokupwned5 wrote:
09 Sep 2018 03:00

78) What should be the fate of /y/?
c) It should stay /y/.

79) Should Middle Brettaniot retain Old Brettaniot noun cases?
a) Yes.

81) What should be the fate of /ɲ/ and /ʎ/?
b) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 09 Sep 2018 15:29

78) b
79) a
80) c (succession dispute lasting several years)
81) d (/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/) (as IEPH)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 09 Sep 2018 20:35

78: B
79: B
80: A
81: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 10 Sep 2018 17:56

78. c, Keep
79. b
80. c, Proposed by Jackk
81. d


What about Wales? Is Wales a part of the Kingdom of Britain then? I thought we voted to keep it separate? Is it a vassal state ruled by Norman? What happened to second Danish conquest? Is that relevant somehow?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Birdlang » 11 Sep 2018 23:24

78. B
79. A.
80. A.
81. C.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by salpfish » 12 Sep 2018 21:42

78. b
79. b
80. c
81. d

Also, any reason it's Brittaniot instead of Britanniot? Worth clarifying if we want it to be that way, imo
[6:23:38 PM] Salpfish: so the /m/ is slightly [b]ified

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 13 Sep 2018 07:22

78. A
79. A
80. C (per Jackk)
81. D (per IEPH)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Ælfwine » 13 Sep 2018 17:44

salpfish wrote:
12 Sep 2018 21:42
78. b
79. b
80. c
81. d

Also, any reason it's Brittaniot instead of Britanniot? Worth clarifying if we want it to be that way, imo
The French reflex of Britannica is Bretagne, which suggests a geminate, otherwise the t would have lost out. The English name was taken from French and then (incorrectly) Latinized.

The correct reflex should be *brittaniotis
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 22 Sep 2018 19:31

When are the answers going to be compiled?

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 06 Nov 2018 18:21

The results are in!

78) What should be the fate of /y/?
b) /y/ > /i/

81) What should be the fate of /ɲ/ and /ʎ/?
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels (Proposed by shimobaatar)

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There was a tie for both of these questions. They will be voted on again to break the tie.

79) Should Middle Brettaniot retain Old Brettaniot noun cases?
a) Yes.
b) No.

80) Who should be the next King of Britain?
a) Guilliam, Son of Guilliam I (b. 1056)
c) Succession dispute lasting several years. (Proposed by Jackk)

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81) Will word-final back vowels be dropped as they were in Middle English?
a) Yes, but the vowels will not be written. (Old English scipu > Middle English ship~schip)
b) Yes, but the vowels will be written as a silent <e>.
c) No.
d) Other.

82) What will happen to the vowel /ɛ/?
a) It will be retained.
b) /ɛ/ > /ja/
c) /ɛ/ > /e/
d) /ɛ/ > /ea/ (Proposed by IEPH)
e) Other.

83) Will the phonemes /θ ð/ be retained?
a) Yes.
b) No. /θ ð/ > /d/
c) No. /θ ð/ > /t d/
d) No. /θ ð/ > /x ɣ/
e) No. /θ ð/ > /f v/
f) Other.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
Voting closes this Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or this Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
Cavaliers327 wrote:
10 Sep 2018 17:56
What about Wales? Is Wales a part of the Kingdom of Britain then? I thought we voted to keep it separate? Is it a vassal state ruled by Norman? What happened to second Danish conquest? Is that relevant somehow?
Wales and Britain are separate kingdoms. Neither is a vassal of the other. After the Norman conquest, Dygnunia, formerly ruled by the Danes, was united with Lundein under a single Norman-controlled kingdom (Britain).
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 06 Nov 2018 18:26

81) Will word-final back vowels be dropped as they were in Middle English?
a) Yes, but the vowels will not be written. (Old English scipu > Middle English ship~schip)

82) What will happen to the vowel /ɛ/?
d) Other. (/ɛ/ > /ea/)

83) Will the phonemes /θ ð/ be retained?
a) Yes.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 06 Nov 2018 18:30

79: b
80: c
81: a b
82: b
83: b c e

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 06 Nov 2018 18:32

79 b
80 c
81 b
82 d (/ɛ/ > /ea/) as IEPH
83 a
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 07 Nov 2018 02:52

79: B
80: C
81: C
82: A
83: B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by idov » 10 Nov 2018 02:30

79: A
80: C
81: A
82: D
83: B

Shouldn't /t d/ > /θ ð/ /_# be among the sound changes? Am I missing something?
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 10 Nov 2018 21:07

idov wrote:
10 Nov 2018 02:30
79: A
80: C
81: A
82: D
83: B

Shouldn't /t d/ > /θ ð/ /_# be among the sound changes? Am I missing something?
You're right. I'll add it now.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 11 Nov 2018 03:35

The results are in!

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There was a tie for both of these questions. The tie will be broken using random.org, as it has been in this thread before. To decide, a will be set as 1, and b will be set as 2. Here are the results.

81) Will word-final back vowels be dropped as they were in Middle English?
a) Yes, but the vowels will not be written. (Old English scipu > Middle English ship~schip)

83) Will the phonemes /θ ð/ be retained?
b) No. /θ ð/ > /d/

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80) Who should be the next King of Britain?
c) Succession dispute lasting several years. The dispute will be between Guilliam, Enri, and Peder.

82) What will happen to the vowel /ɛ/?
d) /ɛ/ > /ea/ (Proposed by IEPH)

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84) Who will be the next king of Britain?
a) Guilliam, the third son of Guilliam I.
b) Enri, the fourth son of Guilliam I.
c) Peder, the 40-year-old son of the last British king of Lundein, Peder de Goduin.
d) Other.

85) What sound changes would you like to see in Middle Brettaniot?
a) /oi eu ei ou ea/ → /we jo je wo ja/ (Proposed by this_is_an_account)
Your proposals will be listed here as answer choices so they can be voted on.

86) What changes in grammar would you like to see in Middle Brettaniot?
a) Leveling of declensions and/or conjugations. (Proposed by this_is_an_account)
Your proposals will be listed here as answer choices so they can be voted on.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Middle Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
Voting closes next Saturday at 21:00 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:00 UTC. Results will be posted around 30 minutes after that.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 11 Nov 2018 04:51

Edit: Changed my answer for 85 to shimobaatar's suggestion
84: A
85: /oi eu ei ou ea/ → /we jo je wo ja/
86: leveling of declensions and/or conjugations might be interesting.
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