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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 19 May 2019 23:50
by Yrusia
147) a
148) b
149) c

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 25 May 2019 01:10
by gokupwned5
this_is_an_account wrote:
19 May 2019 20:40
147: A
148: A
149: C - A religious split between protestants and catholics. If I remember correctly, we decided that there should be a dialectal divide between areas with more and less nordic influence. What if this influence lasted longer and extended beyond just linguistic influence, but also cultural and religious influence, so that the area's with more nordic influence becomes protestant, while other areas stay catholic?
I like this idea. We will vote on it in the next round of questions.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 25 May 2019 01:26
by gokupwned5
147. C
148. B
149. C

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 18:03
by gokupwned5
The results are in!

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147) What sound changes should the diphthongs undergo?
a) /Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/

148) Should /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be retained?
a) Yes.

149) It is 1550 CE, and Protestantism has reached Britain. Should Britain become a Protestant country, or remain a Catholic one?
c) A religious split between Protestants and Catholics. (proposed by this_is_an_account)

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150) How should the religious split between Protestants and Catholics occur in Britain?
a) Areas with more Nordic influence (northwestern Britain) become Protestant, whereas areas with less Nordic influence (southeastern Britain) remain Catholic. (proposed by this_is_an_account in the previous round of questions)
b) Urban areas in Britain become Protestant, whereas rural areas remain Catholic.
c) Rural areas in Britain become Protestant, whereas urban areas remain Catholic.
d) Other.

151) Should Early Modern Brettaniot reintroduce diphthongs through loanwords?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Reintroduce diphthongs by having a vowel shift a la the Great Vowel Shift, but different from the outcome in OTL. (proposed by Cavaliers327)
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao e~ae o~ao a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 19:34
by GoshDiggityDangit
150.) b
151.) c

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 19:48
by gokupwned5
150. A
151. B

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 21:08
by Cavaliers327
150) a
151) c, have a vowel shift a la the Great Vowel Shift, but different from the outcome in OTL

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 21:24
by GoshDiggityDangit
Cavaliers327, you can vote for one option a question, not two.
Cavaliers327 wrote:
26 May 2019 21:08
150) a c

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 26 May 2019 21:39
by Cavaliers327
GoshDiggityDangit wrote:
26 May 2019 21:24
Cavaliers327, you can vote for one option a question, not two.
Cavaliers327 wrote:
26 May 2019 21:08
150) a c

fixed it was a typo [:)]

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 27 May 2019 03:22
by this_is_an_account
150: A
151: B

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 27 May 2019 04:07
by shimobaatar
150: a
151: a

Wait, gokupwned5, is it the rule that you can only vote for one option for each question?

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 27 May 2019 14:17
by gokupwned5
shimobaatar wrote:
27 May 2019 04:07
150: a
151: a

Wait, gokupwned5, is it the rule that you can only vote for one option for each question?
Some people have done it before in the past. I don't really mind it really.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 29 May 2019 17:16
by Artaxes
150.b
151.c

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 02 Jun 2019 16:45
by gokupwned5
The results are in!

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150) How should the religious split between Protestants and Catholics occur in Britain?
a) Areas with more Nordic influence (northwestern Britain) become Protestant, whereas areas with less Nordic influence (southeastern Britain) remain Catholic. (proposed by this_is_an_account in the previous round of questions)

151) Should Early Modern Brettaniot reintroduce diphthongs through loanwords?
c) Reintroduce diphthongs by having a vowel shift a la the Great Vowel Shift, but different from the outcome in OTL. (proposed by Cavaliers327)

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152) What sound changes should the long vowels undergo in Early Modern Brettaniot's vowel shift?
a) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou eː/ (similar to OTL)
b) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ei ou ai au au/
c) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /ei ou ai au a/
d) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou au/
e) /iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/ (proposed by shimobaatar)
f) Other.

153) Will the Brettaniot Royal Family become Protestant?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) In the future, have some family members be Protestant which causes fear in the eyes of the nobility and the Church which forces the Succession Laws to be so strict with only Catholics allowed on the throne. This would parallel the OTL British Laws of Succession. In the future, a minor European duke/prince related to the Royal Family inherits the throne because all of the living members of the current Royal Family are Protestant. - (proposed by Cavaliers327) - This answer could be considered a part of Option B, but I added it here just in case anyone agrees with this proposal.
d) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u e ə o a/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao e~ae o~ao a> (Sequences of /VːC/ are written as <VCe>)
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 02 Jun 2019 18:32
by shimobaatar
152: e (/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/)
153: b

I think I'd prefer for the long vowel changes to be more conditioned, but if the group would generally prefer something unconditional, I'll leave it at that.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 02 Jun 2019 22:56
by gokupwned5
shimobaatar wrote:
02 Jun 2019 18:32
152: e (/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/)
153: b

I think I'd prefer for the long vowel changes to be more conditioned, but if the group would generally prefer something unconditional, I'll leave it at that.
You can put conditions in your proposal if you'd like. I didn't even think of conditions when I was making the question, but you're more than welcome to add them in your proposals.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 00:58
by Cavaliers327
152. d
153. b.


In the future, have some family members be Protestant which causes fear in the eyes of the nobility and the Church which forces the Succession Laws to be so strict with only Catholics allowed on the throne. This would parallel the OTL British Laws of Succession. In the future, a minor European duke/prince related to the Royal Family inherits the throne because all of the living members of the current Royal Family are Protestant.


Also, when will Portugal and Britannia become separate kingdoms again? I doubt this is going to last forever.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 01:04
by gokupwned5
Cavaliers327 wrote:
03 Jun 2019 00:58
152. d
153. b.


In the future, have some family members be Protestant which causes fear in the eyes of the nobility and the Church which forces the Succession Laws to be so strict with only Catholics allowed on the throne. This would parallel the OTL British Laws of Succession. In the future, a minor European duke/prince related to the Royal Family inherits the throne because all of the living members of the current Royal Family are Protestant.


Also, when will Portugal and Britannia become separate kingdoms again? I doubt this is going to last forever.
They already separated, I just forgot to mention it. After we voted that Britain and Portugal will not be unified, I made Manuel I the last monarch to rule over both nations. After his death, I made his son (John III of Portugal) the heir to Portugal, and I made his nephew (Jaime, Duke of Braganza) the heir to Britain. The current ruler is Tiodry I, the son of Jaime.

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 04:39
by this_is_an_account
152: E, shimobaatar's suggestion
153: C

Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Posted: 03 Jun 2019 12:30
by Benjaminmb
Is there some way I join this or can I just begin to vote?
If I can just begin to vote, then
152. C
153. B