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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 05 Aug 2019 23:46

Artaxes wrote:
05 Aug 2019 14:41
In my opinion the long vowels should be saved.
I don't really care what happens to them to be honest. I was just trying to see if you guys wanted to decide something different.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 07 Aug 2019 03:21

The results are in!

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188) What sound changes would you like to see in Early Modern Brettaniot? These will be the some of the last sound changes to happen.
a) /s z/ → /ʃ ʒ/ after /u i j w/ (proposed by Artaxes)

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There was a two-way tie for most of the questions.

189) What should happen to the long vowels of Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) They should be retained.
h) Before any diphthongization, long vowels are shortened outside of stressed, open syllables. (proposed by shimobaatar)

190) What should happen to the consonants /ɲ ʎ/? This will be the last sound change in Early Modern Brettaniot.
c) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/ (they become /jn jl/ after vowels)
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.

191) The colonists of New York are up in arms, and are not happy with a foreign king ruling Britain. The colonists are also dissatisfied with how the government is being run. How should the British Council respond?
b) They should allow the colonists to have equal representation in the government.
c) They should have an elected representative for the colonists that is chosen by those living in Britain, not those living in the colonies.

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192) How should the newly derived /ʃ/ be written?
a) /ʃ/ - <s>
b) /ʃ/ - <sh>
c) /ʃ/ - <sch>
d) /ʃ/ - <sc>
e) Other.

193) How should /sj zj/ (from former /tj dj/) be written?
a) /sj zj/ - <ti di>
b) /sj zj/ - <çi zi>
c) /sj zj/ - <tsi dzi>
d) Other.

194) Should Early Modern Brettaniot have an orthography reform?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
/a/ > /æ/
/tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
/s z/ > /ʃ ʒ/ | after /u i j w/
And here's the current phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 07 Aug 2019 03:28

189: a
190: d
191: b
192: d
193: b
194: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 07 Aug 2019 03:31

189. H
190. C
191. B
192. B
193. B
194. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 07 Aug 2019 03:36

189: h
190: d
191: b
192: a
193: a
194: b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 07 Aug 2019 11:56

189.a
190.c
191.b
192.a
193.b
194.b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 07 Aug 2019 20:31

190: A
191: C
192: C
193: A
194: A
195: B

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 09 Aug 2019 03:54

The results are in!

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There was a two-way tie for most of the questions. For the ones where there was still a tie, the tie was broken with a random number generator.

189) What should happen to the long vowels of Early Modern Brettaniot?
a) They should be retained.

190) What should happen to the consonants /ɲ ʎ/? This will be the last sound change in Early Modern Brettaniot.
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.

191) The colonists of New York are up in arms, and are not happy with a foreign king ruling Britain. The colonists are also dissatisfied with how the government is being run. How should the British Council respond?
b) They should allow the colonists to have equal representation in the government.

192) How should the newly derived /ʃ/ be written?
a) /ʃ/ - <s>

193) How should /sj zj/ (from former /tj dj/) be written?
b) /sj zj/ - <çi zi>

194) Should Early Modern Brettaniot have an orthography reform?
b) No.

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195) What sound changes would you like to see in Modern Brettaniot?
a) /ə/ > /∅/ | VC_CV (proposed by Artaxes)
b) /æ/ > /ɛ/ | in closed syllables (proposed by this_is_an_account)
c) short /i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ (proposed by gokupwned5)
List your proposals here.

196) What grammatical changes would you like to see in Modern Brettaniot?
List your proposals here.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /∅/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
/a/ > /æ/
/tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
/s z/ > /ʃ ʒ/ | after /u i j w/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.
And here's the finalized phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels and <s> when coming from former /s/)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 09 Aug 2019 20:28

195. /ə/ → 0 VC_CV

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 09 Aug 2019 21:51

195: /æ/ → /ɛ/ | in closed syllables.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 09 Aug 2019 23:52

195. short /i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 10 Aug 2019 01:07

195: a
196: a (No changes.)

I feel as though I don't know enough about the current grammar of the language to propose anything for Question 196.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 10 Aug 2019 01:19

shimobaatar wrote:
10 Aug 2019 01:07
195: a
196: a (No changes.)

I feel as though I don't know enough about the current grammar of the language to propose anything for Question 196.
It hasn't changed much. I've kept all the pronouns the same for the past few rounds. Here are the basics for the verbs:

Verbs only conjugate for Number and Tense (Present, Past, Future). There are also Imperative verb forms, Present and Past Participles, as well as an Infinitive. Here's a sample verb conjugation with the verb canter "to sing".

Present
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je/ti/ill/illa cante /kænt/
nus/vus/ills canten /kæntən/
Past
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je/ti/ill/illa canteve /kæntiːv/
nus/vus/ills/illas canteven /kæntiːvən/
Future
Spoiler:
je/ti/ill/illa cantere /kæntiːr/
nus/vus/ills/illas canteren /kæntiːrən/
Imperative
Spoiler:
ti cant /kænt/
vus cantad /kæntəd/
Present Participle and Infinitive
Spoiler:
Present Participle: cantende /kæntənd/
Infinitive: canter /kæntər/
Past Participle
Spoiler:
Masc. Sing.: canted /kæntəd/
Fem. Sing.: cantede /kæntiːd/
Masc. Plu.: canteds /kæntədz/
Fem. Plu.: cantedes /kæntiːdz/
Because both /a/ and /e/ collapsed as /ə/ in unstressed syllables, and /ə/ was later deleted word finally, the ar-verbs and er-verbs merged into a single paradigm in Early Modern Brettaniot. The ir-verbs are solely derived from Latin fourth conjugation verbs for the most part, whereas all other Latin verbs collapsed into the er-verb paradigm, with the exception of some second or third conjugation verbs in Latin that became ir-verbs, such as ammonir "to warn", from Latin admonēre "to admonish".

As for nouns and adjectives, they only decline for gender and number.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 10 Aug 2019 03:01

Thank you for the update!

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 10 Aug 2019 03:49

shimobaatar wrote:
10 Aug 2019 03:01
Thank you for the update!
No problem!

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 11 Aug 2019 03:59

The results are in!

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195) What sound changes would you like to see in Modern Brettaniot?
a) /ə/ > /∅/ | VC_CV (proposed by Artaxes)

196) What grammatical changes would you like to see in Modern Brettaniot?
a) There will be no grammatical changes. (proposed by shimobaatar)

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197) Should Modern Brettaniot have an orthography reform?
a) Yes, a complete reform.
b) Yes, but only a reform to update how the consonants are written.
c) Yes, but only a reform to update how the vowels are written.
d) No.
e) Other.

198) Should diphthongs be reintroduced via loanwords?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

199) It is 1783 CE. Should Carle I name separate heirs for the Spanish and British thrones? If they do not have separate heirs, the heir would be Carle, Prince of Asturias, the eldest son of Carle I.
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

200) This question is dependent on the outcome of #199. If you voted no for #199, do not vote on this question. Who should be the heir to the Brettaniot throne?
a) Prince Ferdinand - Younger son of Carle I
b) Prince Gabriel - Younger son of Carle I
c) Prince Antuen Pascial - Younger son of Carle I
d) Philip, Duke of Parma - Younger brother of Carle I
e) Maria Luisa, Holy Roman Empress - Daughter of Carle I
f) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Early Modern Brettaniot. The 8 provinces of Britain are Vianidoçe, Urduviçe, Dynhunie, Drevaçe, Cança, Lundin, Buraw, and Ragiçe. In English, the names are Gwynedd, Powys, Dumnonia, Drevatia, Kent, London, York, and Rheged. Here is a map of the provinces.
Spoiler:
Vulgar Latin to Proto-Brettaniot
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/t d/ > /θ ð/ /_#
Proto-Brettaniot to Old Brettaniot
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /∅/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
Old Brettaniot to Middle Brettaniot
/y/ > /i/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels
/ɛ/ > /ea/
/θ ð/ > /d/
/oi eu ei ou ea/ > /we jo je wo ja/
/wj jw/ > /wi ju/ | after consonants
/ai au/ > /ei ou/
The phonemes /ai au/ are reintroduced through loanwords.
/VCə/ > /VːC/
/t͡s d͡z/ > /s z/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ | in coda position
/ei ou ai au/ > /iː uː eː oː/ | unstressed
/e o/ > /i u/ (unstressed)
Middle Brettaniot to Early Modern Brettaniot
/Vi Vu/ > /iː uː/
/iː uː eː oː aː/ > /əi əu ei ou a/
/kw gw/ > /p b/
/r/ > /ʁ/ | only in the southeast (it becomes /ɹ/ elsewhere)
/əi əu ei ou/ > /eː oː iː uː/
/oː/ > /aː/ | when a low vowel follows
short /e o/ > /ɛ ɔ/
/a/ > /æ/
/tj dj sj zj/ > /sj zj sj zj/
/s z/ > /ʃ ʒ/ | after /u i j w/
/ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ word-finally and before consonants, but are retained elsewhere.
/ə/ > /∅/ | VC_CV
And here's the finalized phonology of Early Modern Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/ - <m n gn~ni>
/p b t d k g/ - <p b t d c~qu g~gu> (/k g/ are only <qu gu> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>, and /k/ can be written as <c~cq~q> word-finally)
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ - <ci~c gi~g> (/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ are only <c g> before the vowels <i>, <y>, and <e>)
/f v s z ʃ/ - <f v s~ss~ç s~z sh~sc> (/ʃ/ is <sc> before front vowels and <s> when coming from former /s/)
/r l ʎ j w/ - <r l gl~li y~i w~u> (the spelling of /ʎ/ is determined etymologically, and /j w/ <i u> except initially, finally, and between vowels)
/kw gw/ - <qu~cu gu>
/i u ə ɛ ɔ æ/ - <i~y~e u~o e e~a o a> (the distinction between <i~y> /i/ and <e~a> /ə/ is determined etymologically)
/iː uː eː oː aː/ - <e~ae o~ao i~y~ai~ay~oi~oy~ae u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao u~au~aw~eu~ew~ao>
(Sequences of /eːC oːC iːC uːC/ can also be written as <iCe uCe eCe oCe>.)
Personal Pronouns:
Subject
Spoiler:
je
ti
ill
illa
nus
vus
ills
illas
Object
Spoiler:
me
te
le
le
nus
vus
les
les
Reflexive
Spoiler:
me
te
se
se
nus
vus
se
se
Disjunctive
Spoiler:
mey
tey
sey
sey
nus
vus
sey
sey
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 11 Aug 2019 04:06

197: d
198: a
199: a
200: f (N/A)

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Artaxes » 11 Aug 2019 07:09

197.d
198.a
199.a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by GoshDiggityDangit » 11 Aug 2019 12:44

197/ b
198/ a
199/ b

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 11 Aug 2019 15:32

197. C
198. A
199. A
200. E - Maria Luisa, Holy Roman Empress - Daughter of Carle I

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