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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 14 Aug 2018 21:18

I've been wanting to mess with a no-obstruent language for a while now

ʋéraɲúʎaonúɲiria ɲuohoríniʎuo rúmoraiʎáleʋanoi luʎíɲori
ɲúwuohaoð̞i ruʎouʋeʎewuɲao rowieméʋoað̞inuaʋeð̞a

it sucks
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by sangi39 » 14 Aug 2018 21:42

Micamo wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:18
I've been wanting to mess with a no-obstruent language for a while now

ʋéraɲúʎaonúɲiria ɲuohoríniʎuo rúmoraiʎáleʋanoi luʎíɲori
ɲúwuohaoð̞i ruʎouʋeʎewuɲao rowieméʋoað̞inuaʋeð̞a

it sucks
The question is... why does it suck?
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by eldin raigmore » 15 Aug 2018 04:10

sangi39 wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:42
Micamo wrote:
14 Aug 2018 21:18
I've been wanting to mess with a no-obstruent language for a while now

ʋéraɲúʎaonúɲiria ɲuohoríniʎuo rúmoraiʎáleʋanoi luʎíɲori
ɲúwuohaoð̞i ruʎouʋeʎewuɲao rowieméʋoað̞inuaʋeð̞a

it sucks
The question is... why does it suck?
Maybe it has pulmonic ingressive consonants?
Or consonants with a glottalic ingressive airstream?
Or with a velaric ingressive airstream?

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 16 Aug 2018 11:23

Getting better

wihrúʔweʔnoʔlúʔ lenúer̊oʔyah m̊uim̊aeni n̊ilówur̊eh nuneumúɲ̊ióẘa yuhloríh
ménoinaléʔ wóméaliʔ yíaɲimoʔloʔneh m̊aúm̊oiyúʔʎi miyemuʔɲul̥é nímeʔʎeiwe
riʔɲeʎ̥áhʎ̥óh moiɲ̊u ʎ̥oʔʎuhʎúnuʔniu n̊éhɲeowiwo ɲuáleʎeí

(I just can't resist glottal codas, even if it makes the language not obstruent-less anymore, strictly speaking)
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 16 Aug 2018 21:05

Why do I do this

ǀóũ ta̋e ᶢǃǎeˤ nâoˤ dzáaˤ ᶢǂx̌őũ
ŋào ǃʼgǔũ ʘʰmâã ǂìĩ tāoˤ ǀʰŋmāuˤ
ǀʰdőaˤ ᶢǀgbôĩ dzǎa ᵑǁgbǒũ ŋǔi pàĩ
gōeˤ ǂʰóe ǁʰōuˤ ʘʰúĩ ǁʰkóã ʘʰǎaˤ
fǒẽ ʘáe ǀtói ǀʰdóiˤ ǀʼgběẽ x̌űi bȉiˤ
gbőiˤ dzâoˤ ᶢǁmèe ᵑʘǒuˤ ᶢǃmőũ ǂx̌a̋e
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Frislander » 17 Aug 2018 15:17

Micamo wrote:
16 Aug 2018 21:05
Why do I do this

ǀóũ ta̋e ᶢǃǎeˤ nâoˤ dzáaˤ ᶢǂx̌őũ
ŋào ǃʼgǔũ ʘʰmâã ǂìĩ tāoˤ ǀʰŋmāuˤ
ǀʰdőaˤ ᶢǀgbôĩ dzǎa ᵑǁgbǒũ ŋǔi pàĩ
gōeˤ ǂʰóe ǁʰōuˤ ʘʰúĩ ǁʰkóã ʘʰǎaˤ
fǒẽ ʘáe ǀtói ǀʰdóiˤ ǀʼgběẽ x̌űi bȉiˤ
gbőiˤ dzâoˤ ᶢǁmèe ᵑʘǒuˤ ᶢǃmőũ ǂx̌a̋e
Is this a-posteriori?

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 17 Aug 2018 16:12

No, what makes you think it might be? (I only do a priori conlanging)
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Frislander » 17 Aug 2018 17:06

Micamo wrote:
17 Aug 2018 16:12
No, what makes you think it might be? (I only do a priori conlanging)
It just looks so much like it could be a Khoisan language, it just so fits with the feel of that specific group in a way the others on this thread don't for me, for some reason.

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 17 Aug 2018 18:09

It's vaguely Khoisan-esque, yes. If there's one skill I have it's crafting aesthetics to match certain natlangs or natlang families. Too bad it's worthless for what I want to do.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 31 May 2019 20:31

I have no idea what I'm doing anymore


ikkūnna hēhayō'a hottēwu kokkō
ikkūn-ra hēha-yō'a hottē-wu kokkō
station-NOM here-FROM far-ADJ.NEG COP
The station is not far from here

nēkkoni kirōkinitta
nēkko-ni ki-rōki-nitta
bus-DE 1sg.NOM-ride-PST
I rode the bus

dokke ho'otōkkona?
dokke ho-hotō-kko=na
which.one 2sg.NOM-eat-PRES=Q
Which one will you eat?
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Lambuzhao » 01 Jun 2019 09:16

Me neither.

dokke nēkkoni ho'otōrōkinittana?
which.one bus-DE 2sg.NOM-ride-PST=Q

That makes 2 of us.

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 01 Jun 2019 22:35

ahekae nekkōni kirōkinitta
I rode the red bus.

My new scrap project has a name: Kaonai'ōtonno. Made some phonoaesthetic changes:

ketairatikka tehotittoni ināhitā okānaka
akkokoron konnirao nittattirrōrio tanaho
nidōkarī okotiyi ekodā'i tanō'ahīyen
waoyahiko yogekāwoko okkegahokan
ohoyā'iyari taraotononi konkiyeo'o
kakenkido hōtokokē ewokō
honnonkōtekon ehoretē ataheko'ogano iwokā

Should I ditch the voiced plosives?

I kinda wanna add coda h and glottal stop but that's kinda my default aesthetic, like putting cayenne pepper into everything. I like it but maybe I should do something different

Should I make it.... poly?
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by elemtilas » 01 Jun 2019 23:52

Micamo wrote:
01 Jun 2019 22:35
My new scrap project has a name: Kaonai'ōtonno. Made some phonoaesthetic changes:

ketairatikka tehotittoni ināhitā okānaka
akkokoron konnirao nittattirrōrio tanaho
nidōkarī okotiyi ekodā'i tanō'ahīyen
waoyahiko yogekāwoko okkegahokan
ohoyā'iyari taraotononi konkiyeo'o
kakenkido hōtokokē ewokō
honnonkōtekon ehoretē ataheko'ogano iwokā
I like the aesthetics of this!

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by DesEsseintes » 02 Jun 2019 06:01

Micamo wrote:
01 Jun 2019 22:35
I have no idea what I'm doing anymore.
ketairatikka tehotittoni ināhitā okānaka
akkokoron konnirao nittattirrōrio tanaho
nidōkarī okotiyi ekodā'i tanō'ahīyen
waoyahiko yogekāwoko okkegahokan
ohoyā'iyari taraotononi konkiyeo'o
kakenkido hōtokokē ewokō
honnonkōtekon ehoretē ataheko'ogano iwokā
It’s all duolingo’s fault. [/private joke]

Seriously though, it looks to me like you’re doing an NA style polylang with a heavy dose of Jappo influence?

Things I love here:
- iyi sequences
- the use of macrons (I’ve never pulled it off)
- the sparing use of diphthongs
Should I ditch the voiced plosives?
Were it mine, I’d keep them, because of the strict phonotactics and lack of labials, both of which lead to a very minimal look. My idea would be to disallow word-initial voiced stops, like in most native Japanese words.
I kinda wanna add coda h and glottal stop but that's kinda my default aesthetic, like putting cayenne pepper into everything. I like it but maybe I should do something different
I’m not using coda glottals for the exact same reason in Ch’eweyõw̌e, but I do have glottalised continuants and ejectives to scratč’ that itč’.
Should I make it.... poly?
Yes, but no noun incorporation*.
*Just because that’s what I’m doing in Ch’eweyõw̌e. No bias or anything.

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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 02 Jun 2019 06:43

DesEsseintes wrote:
02 Jun 2019 06:01
Seriously though, it looks to me like you’re doing an NA style polylang with a heavy dose of Jappo influence?
It's more like a cross between jappo and polynesian languages phonoaesthetically but, yes, basically.
Were it mine, I’d keep them, because of the strict phonotactics and lack of labials, both of which lead to a very minimal look. My idea would be to disallow word-initial voiced stops, like in most native Japanese words.
That's not a bad idea,and pretty much what I've been doing already, I just hadn't noticed. My general method for building phonoaesthetics is to create an awkwords generator for a general "word shape" I have in mind, delete all the ugly ones, then adjust the rules so that only the pretty words end up being generated.
Yes, but no noun incorporation*.
*Just because that’s what I’m doing in Ch’eweyõw̌e. No bias or anything.
Too bad:

aekogīni kakkōhiyo kiyokīdoggahotōkko
aekogī-ni kakkōhiyo ki-okīdogga-hotō-kko
morning-LOC each_time 1sg.NOM-fragrant_rice-eat-PRES
I eat fragrant rice every morning.

Also I have a new favorite word in this lang: okahō'on. No idea what it means.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad

Post by Micamo » 07 Jun 2019 16:42

wtf even is this

czurdzu'krul thahtsuzdhet vu'lthehk shodh'ahldz'as
dhadh'ir tahve'tehk zahlthes sogadzhehn laczuhna'sh
zahkrohvo'sun z'ova'zhahn sohsgurye'lat
czohkeld'ucz'ot tsad'uhtrohdz'ot ve'csezh'ahk
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