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Post by Clio » 02 Aug 2019 05:26

Right now I'm playing around with a Romlang with a common and a neuter gender. To start I'll summarize the content of this post:
Nouns basically develop like this:
equum, equos > equũ, equoj > equõ, equi > equa, equi
rosam, rosas > rosã, rosaj > rosã, rose > rosa, rosi
caelum, caela > celũ, cela > celõ, cela > cela, cela
fratrem, fratres > fratrẽ, fratrej > fratrẽ, fratrej > fratra, fratri

Possible complications:
/i/ causes palatalization (likely in addition to another, earlier phase in which all front-vowels and /j/ caused palatalization) before word-final /e/ and /i/ fall together so that masculine nouns do actually remain distinct, but due to analogy in the adjectives and demonstratives only as a sub-declension.
All word-final vowels are lost after a round of palatalization. If this palatalization affects all consonants, then the common gender is always distinct and transparent; if it only affects some (e.g., velars), then gender is only marked on nouns in exceptional cases.
Now Ælfwine said this language could preserve case somewhat, so let's see what the other cases do:

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N   equus  rosa   caelum  frater   >  equi   rosa   cela   fratir
Ac  equum  rosam  caelum  fratrem  >  equa   rosa   cela   fratra
G   equi   rosae  caeli   fratris  >  equi   rosi   celi   fratri
D   equo   rosae  caelo   fratri   >  equu   rosi   celu   fratri
Ab  equo   rosa   caelo   fratre   >  equu   rosa   celu   fratri
V   eque   rosa   caelum  frater   >  equi   rosa   cela   fratir
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N   equi     rosae    caela     fratres    >  equi    rosi    cela    fratri
Ac  equos    rosas    caela     fratres    >  equi    rosi    cela    fratri
G   equorum  rosarum  caelorum  fratrum    >  equóra  rosára  celóra  fratra
D   equis    rosis    caelis    fratribus  >  equi    rosi    celi    fratribi
Ab  equis    rosis    caelis    fratribus  >  equi    rosi    celi    fratribi
V   equi     rosae    caela     fratres    >  equi    rosi    cela    fratri
I'll look at this more. How about present-tense verbs?

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1s  amo     video    vivo     capio    dormio    >  amu    vidiu   vivu    capiu   dormiu
2s  amas    vides    vivis    capis    dormis    >  ami    vidi    vivi    capi    dormi
3s  amat    videt    vivit    capit    dormit    >  ama    vidi    vivi    capi    dormi
1p  amamus  videmus  vivimus  capimus  dormimus  >  amámi  vidémi  vivimi  capimi  dormími
2p  amatis  videtis  vivitis  capitis  dormitis  >  amáti  vidéti  viviti  capiti  dormíti
3p  amant   vident   vivunt   capiunt  dormiunt  >  ama    vida    viva    capia   dormia
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1s  amem    videam    vivam    capiam    dormiam    >  ama    videa    viva    capia    dormia
2s  ames    videas    vivas    capias    dormias    >  ami    vidii    vivi    capii    dormii
3s  amet    videat    vivat    capiat    dormiat    >  ami    vidia    viva    capia    dormia
1p  amemus  videamus  vivamus  capiamus  dormiamus  >  amémi  videámi  vivámi  capiámi  dormiámi
2p  ametis  videatis  vivatis  capiatis  dormiatis  >  améti  videáti  viváti  capiáti  dormiáti
3p  ament   videant   vivant   capiant   dormiant   >  ama    videa    viva    capia    dormia
Hopefully no errors here. Will definitely have yod coalescence and such (e.g., cepu instead of capiu) but for now I want to look mostly at endings. I really only know what happens to word final consonants and posttonic vowels at this point.

Vivámi, mea Lesbia, e amémi.
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Post by Clio » 03 Aug 2019 02:35

Here are a few possible case systems (giving singular then plural)

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nom/acc  equa    rosa    cela    fratra
gen      equi    rosi    celi    fratri
dat/abl  equu    rosa    celu    fratri

nom/acc  equi    rosi    cela    fratri
gen      equóra  rosára  celóra  fratra
dat/abl  equi    rosi    celi    fratribi
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nom      equi  rosa  cela  fratir
acc      equa  rosa  cela  fratra
gen/dat  equi  rosi  celi  fratri

nom      equi  rosi  cela  fratri
acc      equi  rosi  cela  fratri
gen/dat  equi  rosi  celi  fratri~fratria~fratribi
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nom/acc  equa  rosa  cela  fratra
gen/dat  equi  rosi  celi  fratri

nom/acc  equi  rosi  cela  fratri
gen/dat  equi  rosi  celi  fratri~fratra
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no case  equa  rosa  cela  fratra
no case  equi  rosi  cela  fratri
The other classes of third-declension nouns decline in roughly the same way as fratir~fratra above, in any system.

I think I'm most partial to the last two options, since they give me the common gender I intended to have.
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Post by Clio » 04 Aug 2019 02:09

Three verbs from a different language:

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'vaʎo   'vaʎome   vallo   vàllome
'vaʎes  'vaʎed    valles  valled
'vaʎe   'vaʎosi   valle   vàllosi

'istem  'istame   istem   ìstame
'istes  'istad    istes   istad
'iste   is'tasi   iste    istasi

o'rɔ    o'rɔme    orò     oròme
o'ras   o'rad     oràs    oràd
o'ra    o'rasi    orà     orasi
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