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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by vo1dwalk3r » 22 Aug 2014 18:10

Well, I've been very inactive as of late. I've made progress on PĀVA (now simply PĀA), so I may post that soon...

Anyways, I've also had some ideas for very wacky conlangs. This first one's meant to be extremely ugly sounding, insanely inflecting and consise:

/p̪ b̪ t̼ d̼ ʈ ɖ q ɢ ʡ ʡ̬/ <p b t d ṭ ḍ q g q̌ ǧ>
/p̪ʷ b̪ʷ t̼ʷ d̼ʷ ʈʷ ɖʷ qʷ ɢʷ ʡʷ ʡ̬ʷ/ <pw bw tw dw ṭw ḍw qw gw q̌w ǧw>
/ɓ̪̥ ɓ̪ ɗ̼̥ ɗ̼ ᶑ̥ ᶑ ɢ̥ ɢ ʡʼ↓ ʡ̬↓/ <ƥ ɓ ƭ ɗ ƭ̣ ɗ̣ ʠ ɠ ʠ̌ ɠ̌>
/ɓ̪̥ʷ ɓ̪ʷ ɗ̼̥ʷ ɗ̼ʷ ᶑ̥ʷ ᶑʷ ɢ̥ʷ ɢʷ ʡʼ↓ʷ ʡ̬↓ʷ/ <ƥw ɓw ƭw ɗw ƭ̣w ɗ̣w ʠw ɠw ʠ̌w ɠ̌w>
/f v θ̼ ð̼ ʂ ʐ χ ʁ ʜ ʢ/ <f v s z ṣ ẓ x ĝ h ḥ>
/fʷ vʷ θ̼ʷ ð̼ʷ ʂʷ ʐʷ χʷ ʁʷ ʜʷ ʢʷ/ <fw vw sw zw ṣw ẓw xw ĝw hw ḥw>
/ⱱ̥ ⱱ ɾ̼̊ ɾ̼ ɽ̊ ɽ ɢ̥̆ ɢ̆ ʡ̆ ʡ̬̆/ <p̆ b̆ r̊ r ṛ̊ ṛ q̆ ğ q̌̆ ǧ̆>
/p̪͡f b̪͡v t̼͡θ̼ d̼͡ð̼ ʈ͡ʂ ɖ͡ʐ q͡χ ɢ͡ʁ ʡ͡ʜ ʡ̬͡ʢ/ <pf bv c ż č ǰ qx gĝ q̌h ǧh>
/p̪͡fʷ b̪͡vʷ t̼͡θ̼ʷ d̼͡ð̼ʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ ɖ͡ʐʷ q͡χʷ ɢ͡ʁʷ ʡ͡ʜʷ ʡ̬͡ʢv/ <pfw bvw cw żw čw ǰw qxw gĝw q̌hw ǧhw>
/ɓ̪̥͡f ɓ̪͡v ᶑ̥͡ʂ ᶑ͡ʐ/ <ƥf ɓv ƈ ʃ>
/ɓ̪̥͡fʷ ɓ̪͡vʷ ᶑ̥͡ʂʷ ᶑ͡ʐʷ/ <ƥfw ɓvw ƈw ʃw>

/i ɨ ʉ u/ <ı ï ü u>
/e ɘ ɵ o/ <e ë ö o>
/ɛ ɜ ɞ ɔ/ <ė ə ø o>
/a ɒ/ <a å>

/â à a á ǎ ã̂ ã̀ ã ã́ ã̌ a̰ ã̰/ <â à a á ǎ ą̂ ą̀ ą ą́ ą̌ a̦ ą̦>

(C)CV(C)(C)

This second one is, well, interesting. I suppose it would have to be totally isolating, or borderline oligosynthetic:

/pʼ t̪ʼ ʈʼ cʼ kʼ qʼ/ <p t ṭ c k q>
/pʷʼ t̪ʷʼ ʈʷʼ cʷʼ kʷʼ qʷʼ/ <pw tw ṭw cw kw qw>
/ɓ̥ ɗ̪̥ ᶑ̥ ʄ̥ ɠ̥ ɢ̥/ <ƥ ƭ ƭ̣ ƈ ƙ ʠ>
/ɓ̥ʷ ɗ̪̥ʷ ᶑ̥ʷ ʄ̥ʷ ɠ̥ʷ ɢ̥ʷ/ <ƥw ƭw ƭ̣w ƈw ƙw ʠw>
/fʼ s̪ʼ ʂʼ çʼ xʼ χʼ/ <f s ṣ ĉ x ẋ>
/fʷʼ s̪ʷʼ ʂʷʼ çʷʼ xʷʼ χʷʼ/ <fw sw ṣw ĉw xw ẋw>
/p͡fʼ t̪͡s̪ʼ ʈ͡ʂʼ c͡çʼ k͡xʼ q͡χʼ/ <pf c č ç kx qx>
/p͡fʷʼ t̪͡s̪ʷʼ ʈ͡ʂʷʼ c͡çʷʼ k͡xʷʼ q͡χʷʼ/ <pfw cw čw çw kxw qxw>
/ʘ͡k ǀ͡k ǃ͡k ǂ͡k ǁ͡k/ <ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ>
/ʘ͡kʷ ǀ͡kʷ ǃ͡kʷ ǂ͡kʷ ǁ͡kʷ/ <ʘw ǀw ǃw ǂw ǁw>

And, you guessed it, no vowels.

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So yeah, just distractions I guess. We'll see what I make of them.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 22 Aug 2014 21:24

This was (if I'm remembering right) the very first version of the Ngenggakii phonology.

/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/v ʃ X ʁ/ <v s h gh>
/ǀ ǃ ǁ/ <c q x>
/l j w/ <l y w>
/i u e o ɑ/ <i u e o a>
/iː uː eː oː ɑː/ <ii uu ee oo aa>
(C)V(i,u)(C)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Aug 2014 00:22

vo1dwalk3r wrote:Well, I've been very inactive as of late. I've made progress on PĀVA (now simply PĀA), so I may post that soon...

Anyways, I've also had some ideas for very wacky conlangs. This first one's meant to be extremely ugly sounding, insanely inflecting and consise:

/p̪ b̪ t̼ d̼ ʈ ɖ q ɢ ʡ ʡ̬/ <p b t d ṭ ḍ q g q̌ ǧ>
/p̪ʷ b̪ʷ t̼ʷ d̼ʷ ʈʷ ɖʷ qʷ ɢʷ ʡʷ ʡ̬ʷ/ <pw bw tw dw ṭw ḍw qw gw q̌w ǧw>
/ɓ̪̥ ɓ̪ ɗ̼̥ ɗ̼ ᶑ̥ ᶑ ɢ̥ ɢ ʡʼ↓ ʡ̬↓/ <ƥ ɓ ƭ ɗ ƭ̣ ɗ̣ ʠ ɠ ʠ̌ ɠ̌>
/ɓ̪̥ʷ ɓ̪ʷ ɗ̼̥ʷ ɗ̼ʷ ᶑ̥ʷ ᶑʷ ɢ̥ʷ ɢʷ ʡʼ↓ʷ ʡ̬↓ʷ/ <ƥw ɓw ƭw ɗw ƭ̣w ɗ̣w ʠw ɠw ʠ̌w ɠ̌w>
/f v θ̼ ð̼ ʂ ʐ χ ʁ ʜ ʢ/ <f v s z ṣ ẓ x ĝ h ḥ>
/fʷ vʷ θ̼ʷ ð̼ʷ ʂʷ ʐʷ χʷ ʁʷ ʜʷ ʢʷ/ <fw vw sw zw ṣw ẓw xw ĝw hw ḥw>
/ⱱ̥ ⱱ ɾ̼̊ ɾ̼ ɽ̊ ɽ ɢ̥̆ ɢ̆ ʡ̆ ʡ̬̆/ <p̆ b̆ r̊ r ṛ̊ ṛ q̆ ğ q̌̆ ǧ̆>
/p̪͡f b̪͡v t̼͡θ̼ d̼͡ð̼ ʈ͡ʂ ɖ͡ʐ q͡χ ɢ͡ʁ ʡ͡ʜ ʡ̬͡ʢ/ <pf bv c ż č ǰ qx gĝ q̌h ǧh>
/p̪͡fʷ b̪͡vʷ t̼͡θ̼ʷ d̼͡ð̼ʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ ɖ͡ʐʷ q͡χʷ ɢ͡ʁʷ ʡ͡ʜʷ ʡ̬͡ʢv/ <pfw bvw cw żw čw ǰw qxw gĝw q̌hw ǧhw>
/ɓ̪̥͡f ɓ̪͡v ᶑ̥͡ʂ ᶑ͡ʐ/ <ƥf ɓv ƈ ʃ>
/ɓ̪̥͡fʷ ɓ̪͡vʷ ᶑ̥͡ʂʷ ᶑ͡ʐʷ/ <ƥfw ɓvw ƈw ʃw>

/i ɨ ʉ u/ <ı ï ü u>
/e ɘ ɵ o/ <e ë ö o>
/ɛ ɜ ɞ ɔ/ <ė ə ø o>
/a ɒ/ <a å>

/â à a á ǎ ã̂ ã̀ ã ã́ ã̌ a̰ ã̰/ <â à a á ǎ ą̂ ą̀ ą ą́ ą̌ a̦ ą̦>

(C)CV(C)(C)

This second one is, well, interesting. I suppose it would have to be totally isolating, or borderline oligosynthetic:

/pʼ t̪ʼ ʈʼ cʼ kʼ qʼ/ <p t ṭ c k q>
/pʷʼ t̪ʷʼ ʈʷʼ cʷʼ kʷʼ qʷʼ/ <pw tw ṭw cw kw qw>
/ɓ̥ ɗ̪̥ ᶑ̥ ʄ̥ ɠ̥ ɢ̥/ <ƥ ƭ ƭ̣ ƈ ƙ ʠ>
/ɓ̥ʷ ɗ̪̥ʷ ᶑ̥ʷ ʄ̥ʷ ɠ̥ʷ ɢ̥ʷ/ <ƥw ƭw ƭ̣w ƈw ƙw ʠw>
/fʼ s̪ʼ ʂʼ çʼ xʼ χʼ/ <f s ṣ ĉ x ẋ>
/fʷʼ s̪ʷʼ ʂʷʼ çʷʼ xʷʼ χʷʼ/ <fw sw ṣw ĉw xw ẋw>
/p͡fʼ t̪͡s̪ʼ ʈ͡ʂʼ c͡çʼ k͡xʼ q͡χʼ/ <pf c č ç kx qx>
/p͡fʷʼ t̪͡s̪ʷʼ ʈ͡ʂʷʼ c͡çʷʼ k͡xʷʼ q͡χʷʼ/ <pfw cw čw çw kxw qxw>
/ʘ͡k ǀ͡k ǃ͡k ǂ͡k ǁ͡k/ <ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ>
/ʘ͡kʷ ǀ͡kʷ ǃ͡kʷ ǂ͡kʷ ǁ͡kʷ/ <ʘw ǀw ǃw ǂw ǁw>

And, you guessed it, no vowels.

C (?)

So yeah, just distractions I guess. We'll see what I make of them.
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These kind of remind me of some of the stuff I've made.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by taylorS » 23 Aug 2014 05:01

A fictional Western European language isolate:

/m n/ <m n>
/p t ts tʃ k/ <p t tz tx k>
/b d dz dʒ g/ <b d dz dx g>
/f v θ s ʃ h/ <f v z s x h>
/l r/ <l r>

/a e i o u ai oi au eu/

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by wintiver » 23 Aug 2014 16:33

shimobaatar wrote:
wintiver wrote:Stuff that I wrote.
I really like this one, especially because you've said it's the language of a large colonial power. That in particular piques my interest because of how different this language looks from the languages of Earth's colonial powers. I especially like the linguolabials.
I really enjoyed the idea of a bunch of angry veteran sailors screaming orders at one another with linguolabials. They sort of take the wind out of the sails of this notion of colonial majesty IMO. A bunch of colonists flopping their tongues and pursing their lips all about. Granted they had superior weapons... so where first linguistic impressions fail the rifle may succeed.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 24 Aug 2014 04:28

This isn't intended to be realistic at all. But I kind of want to use this for something.

/k q ʡ ʔ/ <k q ʡ '>
/ɓ ɗ ɠ ʛ/ <b d g ᵷ>
/X ʁ ʜ ʢ/ <h ř x ʢ>
/ʙ r̼ ʙ̥ r̼̊/ <ḅ r ṗ ṙ/
/ʙ̝̊ r̼̝̊/ <ƀ ᵽ>
/ɰ/ <y>
/ǀ ! ǂ ǁ/ <t n c l>
/ʩ/ <v>
/↓ʁ̥ ↓ʁ̥ʷ/ <☺ ☹>
/ʌ/ <o>

Tones:
/ʌ̀ ʌ́ ʌ̌ ʌ̂/ <o o♩ o♫ o♬>
Any implosive, fricative, trill, or vowel can have tones and/or be syllabic.

I'm thinking about adding phonemic clapping, snapping, coughing, and sneezing.

Sample text:
b♫ᵷo'ᵽᵽqnn☹lqho♬xʡʢ♩'.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Aug 2014 06:02

This started out as something inspired by Germanic languages, and I think that's still easy to tell from the vowels. I might call it either Ñola or Amarste.

/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/f s ʃ ɧ x h/ f s q qx x h
/t͡s d͡z/ z ź
/m n ɲ/ m n ñ
/ʋ j/ v j
/r/ r
/l/ l

/iː yː ɪ ʏ eː øː ɛ ɛ̃ œ œ̃/ i y ih yh ä ø e ę ö ǫ̈
/aː ə/ a ah
/uː ʊ oː ɔ ɔ̃/ u uh å o ǫ

(S)(C)(R)V(V)(R)(C)

S: /s ʃ/
C: any consonant
R: /n ʋ j r l/
V: any vowel
V: any vowel
R: /n ʋ j r l/
C: any consonant

stehlv /stɛlʋ/
gnolly /gnɔlyː/
nåmack /noːmək/

Vowel orthography is intentionally complicated. Long vowels /iː yː eː øː aː uː oː/ are always represented as <i y ä ø a u å>. Word finally and before coda clusters, the short vowels /ɪ ʏ ɛ œ ə ʊ ɔ/ are spelled <ih yh eh öh ah uh oh>. Everywhere else, the consonant following the short vowel is "geminated". /p b t d k g f s ʃ ɧ x h t͡s d͡z m n ɲ ʋ j r l/ are spelled <pp bb tt dd ck cg ff ss qq qh cx hh zz źz mm nn ñn vv jj rr ll> when "geminated". Even though <e ö o> are not represented by the same letters as their long forms, they still follow short vowel spelling rules. Length distinctions are not made when a vowel cluster forms the nucleus of a syllable. Nasal vowels are always short. These rules will probably change a bit once I develop more vocabulary.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by fivecountwings » 24 Aug 2014 17:21

Dezinaa wrote:This isn't intended to be realistic at all. But I kind of want to use this for something.

/k q ʡ ʔ/ <k q ʡ '>
/ɓ ɗ ɠ ʛ/ <b d g ᵷ>
/X ʁ ʜ ʢ/ <h ř x ʢ>
/ʙ r̼ ʙ̥ r̼̊/ <ḅ r ṗ ṙ/
/ʙ̝̊ r̼̝̊/ <ƀ ᵽ>
/ɰ/ <y>
/ǀ ! ǂ ǁ/ <t n c l>
/ʩ/ <v>
/↓ʁ̥ ↓ʁ̥ʷ/ <☺ ☹>
/ʌ/ <o>

Tones:
/ʌ̀ ʌ́ ʌ̌ ʌ̂/ <o o♩ o♫ o♬>
Any implosive, fricative, trill, or vowel can have tones and/or be syllabic.

I'm thinking about adding phonemic clapping, snapping, coughing, and sneezing.

Sample text:
b♫ᵷo'ᵽᵽqnn☹lqho♬xʡʢ♩'.
After you finish this conlang, please provide samples of yourself pronouncing these words. I looking forward to this [:D]
This is actually the most alien looking phonology i've ever seen. (not to mention orthography.) Looks like fun.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 24 Aug 2014 18:32

I like that phonology, shimobaatar. [tick]
fivecountwings wrote:After you finish this conlang, please provide samples of yourself pronouncing these words. I looking forward to this [:D]
This is actually the most alien looking phonology i've ever seen. (not to mention orthography.) Looks like fun.
Thank you. [:)] And if I record myself saying anything, I'll probably wait until I'm the only one home, because I don't want people to think I'm choking [xP]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Aug 2014 21:43

Dezinaa wrote:I like that phonology, shimobaatar. [tick]
Thank you! [:D] I like yours, too. Especially /ʩ/, the ingressives, the linguolabials, the use of <y> to represent the velar approximant, and the fact that implosives, trills, and fricatives can all be syllabic and carry tone. If you do add coughing, sneezing, clapping, and snapping, I'll be very interested to see how you handle those. You're quite good at making truly alien phonologies!

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 24 Aug 2014 23:31

shimobaatar wrote:
Dezinaa wrote:I like that phonology, shimobaatar. [tick]
Thank you! [:D] I like yours, too. Especially /ʩ/, the ingressives, the linguolabials, the use of <y> to represent the velar approximant, and the fact that implosives, trills, and fricatives can all be syllabic and carry tone. If you do add coughing, sneezing, clapping, and snapping, I'll be very interested to see how you handle those. You're quite good at making truly alien phonologies!
Thanks! [:)] And I think a cough will be realized as [ʔhə̥], and the sneeze as [ət.t͡ʃu]. The clapping and snapping might be made with a simultaneous /ʔ/.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by CaptainCorpulence » 31 Aug 2014 23:42

/n/ <n>
/t tʰ ts tsʰ tɬ tɬʰ k kʰ ʔ/ <t th ts tsh tł tłh k kh '>
/s sʰ ɬ ɬʰ h/ <sh ł łh h>
/l j w/ <l y w>

/a i e o/ <a i e o>

CV(C2) where C2=/t ts ʔ s ɬ h l/

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ear of the Sphinx » 01 Sep 2014 19:02

A brand new phonology:

__________
Consonants (onset)

/mw n/
[m n]

/bw d/


/pw t kj kw kʕ/
[p t c kʷ q]

/kʰj kʰw kʰʕ/
[cʰ kʷʰ qʰ]

/s/


/j w ʕ/
[j w ʕ]

__________
Consonants (coda)

/wm n/
[m n]

/wp t jk wk ʕk/
[p t c kʷ q]

/jkʰ wkʰ ʕkʰ/
[cʰ kʷʰ qʰ]

/j w ʕ/
[j w ʕ]

__________
Vowels

/ə/

Yep.

The vowels gets coloured by surrounding glides:

/ə əj əw əʕ/
[ə e o a]

/jə jəj jəw jəʕ/
[ie i io iɛ]

/wə wəj wəw wəʕ/
[uo ue u uɔ]

As a result the phonetic vowel inventory looks as follows:


[e ie ue o io uo]
[ə]
[iɛ uɔ]
[a]

__________
Sample text

/pwəkjə dəʕdəjktə kʰjə dəwk jəkjəbwəwk ʕə kwəʕkmwəjkʰ/
/dəw kʕəʕkʰʕə pwəkjə nəkjəjkʰ bwəwmʕəwmmwə kʰjətkʰwə/
/jəwkʰ kwətəʕkkʰjəʕkʰ jəwmʕə təttəjkʰ/
/səwkʕəwkʰ pwəjkʰjəkjə nətəjkʰtəwm kʰwəkʰwə kwəwəkʰjə pwəwəwkʰ/
/kjən dətjəw dəʕkʰtən kʰʕəʕkʰmwəkʰjə kwə/

[puocie dadectə cʰie dokʷ ieciebukʷ ʕə kʷuɔqmuecʰ]
[do qaqʰə puocie nəcicʰ bumʕommuo cʰietkʷʰuo]
[iokʷʰ kʷuotaqcʰiɛqʰ iomʕə təttecʰ]
[soqokʷʰ puecʰiecie nətecʰtom kʷʰuokʷʰuo kʷuocʰie puokʷʰ]
[cien dətio daqʰtən qʰaqʰmuocʰie kʷuo]
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Shemtov » 01 Sep 2014 19:45

Ear of the Sphinx wrote: Vowels

/ə/

Yep.

The vowels gets coloured by surrounding glides:

/ə əj əw əʕ/
[ə e o a]

/jə jəj jəw jəʕ/
[ie i io iɛ]

/wə wəj wəw wəʕ/
[uo ue u uɔ]
Is there a reason for analyzing the vowels like this?
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Post by Ear of the Sphinx » 01 Sep 2014 21:39

Do you have any other idea?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ear of the Sphinx » 02 Sep 2014 17:54

And here's my attempt at romanizing it:
/mw n/
[m n]

/bw d/


/pw t kj kw kʕ/
[p t c kʷ q]

/kʰj kʰw kʰʕ/
[cʰ kʷʰ qʰ]

/s/


/j w ʕ/
[j w ʕ]

«m n»
«b d»
«p t c k q»
«ch kh qh»
«s»
«(y w) x»

/ə əj əw əʕ/
[ə e o a]

/jə jəj jəw jəʕ/
[ie i io iɛ]

/wə wəj wəw wəʕ/
[uo ue u uɔ]

«ə e o a»
«e i io ia» ~ «ye yi yo ya»*
«o ue u ua» ~ «wo we wu wa»*

*) Syllable-initially.

/pwəkjə dəʕdəjktə kʰjə dəwk jəkjəbwəwk ʕə kwəʕkmwəjkʰ/
/dəw kʕəʕkʰʕə pwəkjə nəkjəjkʰ bwəwmʕəwmmwə kʰjətkʰwə/
/jəwkʰ kwətəʕkkʰjəʕkʰ jəwmʕə təttəjkʰ/
/səwkʕəwkʰ pwəjkʰjəkjə nətəjkʰtəwm kʰwəkʰwə kwəwəkʰjə pwəwəwkʰ/
/kjən dətjəw dəʕkʰtən kʰʕəʕkʰmwəkʰjə kwə/

[puocie dadectə cʰie dokʷ ieciebukʷ ʕə kʷuɔqmuecʰ]
[do qaqʰə puocie nəcicʰ bumʕommuo cʰietkʷʰuo]
[iokʷʰ kʷuotaqcʰiɛqʰ iomʕə təttecʰ]
[soqokʷʰ puecʰiecie nətecʰtom kʷʰuokʷʰuo kʷuocʰie puokʷʰ]
[cien dətio daqʰtən qʰaqʰmuocʰie kʷuo]

Poce dadectə che dok yecebuk xə kuaqmuech.
Do qaqhə poce nəcich bumxommo chetkho.
Yokh khotaqchiaqh yomxə təttech.
Soqokh puechece nətechtom khokho koche pokh.
Cen dətyo daqhtən qhaqhmoche ko.
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 04 Sep 2014 15:03

/m n/ <m n>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f θ s ɬ ʃ x/ <w r s l y h>
/j w/ <i u>
/i ɯ u/ <i į u>
/e ɤ o/ <e ę o>
/a ɑ/ <æ a>

I'm not sure about using ogoneks for back unrounded vowels. Also, the reason /f θ ɬ ʃ/ <w r l y> is because of sound changes. The loss of schwa created some strange consonant clusters, like word initial liquid+stop.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 04 Sep 2014 22:17

Dezinaa wrote:/m n/ <m n>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f θ s ɬ ʃ x/ <w r s l y h>
/j w/ <i u>
/i ɯ u/ <i į u>
/e ɤ o/ <e ę o>
/a ɑ/ <æ a>

I'm not sure about using ogoneks for back unrounded vowels. Also, the reason /f θ ɬ ʃ/ <w r l y> is because of sound changes. The loss of schwa created some strange consonant clusters, like word initial liquid+stop.
I especially like how interesting this orthography is.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 04 Sep 2014 23:19

shimobaatar wrote:
Dezinaa wrote:/m n/ <m n>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f θ s ɬ ʃ x/ <w r s l y h>
/j w/ <i u>
/i ɯ u/ <i į u>
/e ɤ o/ <e ę o>
/a ɑ/ <æ a>

I'm not sure about using ogoneks for back unrounded vowels. Also, the reason /f θ ɬ ʃ/ <w r l y> is because of sound changes. The loss of schwa created some strange consonant clusters, like word initial liquid+stop.
I especially like how interesting this orthography is.
It certainly is intriguing, but I would have a hard time seeing <Waryir> and saying /faθ.ʃiθ/ and not /war.jir/.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 05 Sep 2014 03:01

shimobaatar wrote:
Dezinaa wrote:/m n/ <m n>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f θ s ɬ ʃ x/ <w r s l y h>
/j w/ <i u>
/i ɯ u/ <i į u>
/e ɤ o/ <e ę o>
/a ɑ/ <æ a>

I'm not sure about using ogoneks for back unrounded vowels. Also, the reason /f θ ɬ ʃ/ <w r l y> is because of sound changes. The loss of schwa created some strange consonant clusters, like word initial liquid+stop.
I especially like how interesting this orthography is.
Thanks. I wanted the orthography to be a little confusing.
XXXVII wrote:It certainly is intriguing, but I would have a hard time seeing <Waryir> and saying /faθ.ʃiθ/ and not /war.jir/.
True. Maybe I could have voiced allophones or something.

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