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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by wintiver » 06 Sep 2014 00:47

Consonants:
/p t̪ ʈ͡ʂ k kʷ/ <p t c k kw>
/pʰ t̪ʰ ʈ͡ʂʰ kʰ kʷʰ/ <ph th ch kh kwh>
/b d ɖ͡ʐ g gʷ/ <b d j g gw>
/s ʂ x h/ <s š x h>
/z ʐ ɣ/ <z ž ǧ>
/m n/ <m n>
/l j w/ <l y w>

Vowels:
/i ɨ u/ <i î u>
/e ə o/ <e ê o>
/æ ɑ/ <ä a>

Diphthongs:
ɑi ɑu æi æu
əi əu ei oi
ie uo

(N)(C)(j,w)V(V)(C)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 06 Sep 2014 03:21

Something based on a hypothetical phonology I referenced during a discussion with eldin raigmore about trigraphs a while ago:

/p b t d k g ʔ/ p b t d k g q
/f v s z x h/ f v s z j h
/m n/ m n
/j w ʕ ʢ/ y w c x
/r/ r
/l/ l

/i e/ i e
/a/ a
/o/ o

/ⁿ ʷ ʰ/ ñ u ˆ

C(R)(R)V(N)

C: any consonant
R: any fricative, approximant, trill, or lateral approximant
R: any fricative, approximant, trill, or lateral approximant
V: any vowel
N: any nasal

jandi /xandi/
coñbuân /ʕoᵐbʷʱan/
xambuo /ʢambʷo/

<ñ> indicates that the following consonant is prenasalized, <u> marks the previous consonant as labialized, and if a consonant is aspirated, the nucleus of the syllable containing the aspirated consonant is marked with a <ˆ>. Only onsets can be prenasalized, labialized, and/or aspirated.

Prenasalization contrasts with a coda nasal coming into contact with the following syllable's onset. Labialized consonants contrast with consonants followed by /w/, and aspirated consonants contrast with consonants followed by /h/.

jandi /xandi/, jañdi /xaⁿdi/, jamdi /xamdi/, janñdi /xanⁿdi/, jamñdi /xamⁿdi/ all contrast with one another

gwo /gwo/, guo /gʷo/, gwuo /gʷwo/ all contrast with one another

bha /bha/, /bʱa/, bhâ /bʱha/ all contrast with one another

There will probably be some complicated allophony rules concerning what happens if non-stops (or maybe non-obstruents) become prenasalized, labialized, or aspirated.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by quadrilabial » 09 Sep 2014 20:26

Roman Jakobson predicted (incorrectly) that no human language could contrast any two of retroflexion, pharyngealization, or rounding with one another, because he didn't know of any languages that did, because they're perceptually similar, and because in at least one language contact situation rounded consonants were loaned in as pharyngeals and the other way around for the other language.

Anyway, he lumped these in together under the feature [flat]. So this got me wanting to make a conlang that conflated all three of them, a language that systematically contrasted flat and plain phonemes where the flat consonants were rounded, pharyngealized, and (where possible) retroflexed.

(Also in the text I was reading he was using an analysis of English that only had, like, six or seven vowel phonemes, with no separate /j/ or /w/- close vowels in unstressed syllables preceding a hiatus turn into [j] and [w]. This necessitates phonemic renditions of words like 'yay' as /i'e/, which sounded more like a cool conlang idea than a realistic analysis of English so I ganked it.)

Vowels:
Spoiler:
/i y ɯ u/ i ı̊ u ů
/e ø ɤ o/ e e̊ o o̊
/ɑ ɒ/ a å

Rounded vowels are r-colored through retroflexion and are also pharyngealized. Thus, /y/ is something more like [y˞ˤ]. (Please enjoy this language, I sure will.) See above about the glides. To ground that analysis in psychological reality, the gliding rule is suspended in careful or poetic speech and poetic meter treats glides as distinct syllable nuclei.
Plain consonants:
Spoiler:
/m n̪ ɲ ŋ/ m n ɲ ŋ
/p b t̪ d̪ c ɟ k g/ p b t d c j k g
/p' ɓ t̪' ɗ̪ c' ʄ k ɠ/ p' b' t' d' c' j' k' g'
/f s̪ ɕ/ f s x
/v ð ʝ ɣ/ v r y w
/l ʎ/ l ʎ
/ŋʘ ŋǀ ŋǂ/ 'm 'n 'ɲ 'ŋ
/ʘ ᶢʘ ǀ ᶢǀ ǂ ᶢǂ/ 'p 'b 't 'd 'c 'j 'k 'g
Flat consonants:
Spoiler:
/mɒ ɳɒ ɲɒ ŋɒ/
/pɒ bɒ ʈɒ ɖɒ cɒ ɟɒ kɒ gɒ/
/p'ɒ ɓɒ ʈ'ɒɒ c'ɒ ʄɒ kɒ ɠɒ/
ɒ ʂɒ ɕɒ/
ɒ ɻ̝ɒ ʝɒ ɣɒ/
/lɒ ʎɒ/
/ŋʘɒ ŋǃ̢ɒ ŋǂɒ/
ɒ ᶢʘɒ ǃ̢ɒ ᶢǃ̢ɒ ǂɒ ᶢǂɒ/

The flats are pharyngealized and rounded, a combination I'm representing with a superscript <ɒ>. Orthographically, they're represented by a ring underneath, unless there's a descender in which case it goes above.
Minimal syllable is V, maximal is CCCV(C/V). An onset may have only one specification for [flat] and can consist of 1) any consonant, 2) a stop (including nasals and all clicks) or sibilant followed by a 'liquid' (voiced fricatives pattern as liquids with the laterals, and as sonorants rather than obstruents), 3) a sibilant followed by a stop or a sibilant , or a sibilant followed by a stop or sibilant followed by a liquid. A coda can consist of a vowel or any consonant. No two successive tautosyllabic consonants may be homorganic.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by wintiver » 12 Sep 2014 02:29

Yurhaš

Summary: Like Eastern Pomo with Labial-Velars and a 7-vowel system and vaguely Finnic diphthongs

Consonants:
/p t̪ t t͡s t͡ɬ t͡ʃ k k͡p q/ <p ṭ t c ƛ č k kp q>
/pʰ t̪ʰ tʰ t͡sʰ t͡ɬʰ t͡ʃʰ kʰ qʰ~q͡χ/ <pʰ ṭʰ tʰ cʰ ƛʰ čʰ kʰ qʰ>
/b d d͡z d͡ɮ g g͡b/ <b d z λ g gb>
/pʼ t̪ʼ tʼ t͡sʼ t͡ɬʼ t͡ʃʼ kʼ qʼ/ <p̓ ṭ̕ t̕ c̓ ƛ̕ č̓ k̓ q̓>
/s ɬ ʃ x h/ <s ł š x h>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <mʰ nʰ ŋʰ>
/m n ŋ ŋ͡m/ <m n ŋ ŋm>
/r̥ l̥~ɬ j̊ w̥/ <rʰ lʰ yʰ wʰ>
/r l j w/ <r l y w>

Vowels:
/i u e ə o æ ɑ/ <i u e ə o ä a>
/i: u: e: o: æ: ɑ:/ <ii uu ee oo ää aa>

/æi æu ɑi ɑu ei eu oi æɑ eo iu uo ie/ <äi äu ai au ei eu oi äa eo iu uo ie>

The vowel qualities may change a bit with length and also according to what consonants they are flanked by.

The syllable structure is moderately complex. Most syllables adhere to a basic (C)V(C)(C) structure, interference and contact from a number of languages, many of which are not from the same family as Yurhaš.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by thetha » 15 Sep 2014 01:44

hmmmmm

/p t d tʃ k ʔ/
/f s z h/
/m n ɲ/
/l w j/

/i a u ə ei ou/

Syllable structure is (C)V(C), but the only clusters allowed medially are /ʔ h/ with any voiceless stop, as well as nasal+obstruent clusters. The pairs /t/-/s/, /d/-/z/, and /tʃ/-/k/ are neutralized before /i/ (merged to the second element in the pair). /e/ and /o/ only appear in the diphthongs, but the diphthongs themselves act as single vowels.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Shemtov » 15 Sep 2014 07:23

A proto-lang for !hicnar that could be used to produce some naming langs:

:
/b p pʰ d̪ t d tʰ k g kʰ kʷ gʷ kʷʰ/
/! !ʰ | |ʰ ᵑ! ᵑ!ʰ ᵑ| ᵑ|ʰ /
/m n/
/f θ s x/
/ɹ w/

Vowels:
i u a
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by wintiver » 15 Sep 2014 16:01

Teddy wrote:hmmmmm

/p t d tʃ k ʔ/
/f s z h/
/m n ɲ/
/l w j/

/i a u ə ei ou/

Syllable structure is (C)V(C), but the only clusters allowed medially are /ʔ h/ with any voiceless stop, as well as nasal+obstruent clusters. The pairs /t/-/s/, /d/-/z/, and /tʃ/-/k/ are neutralized before /i/ (merged to the second element in the pair). /e/ and /o/ only appear in the diphthongs, but the diphthongs themselves act as single vowels.
I really dig this sound system but I especially like the neutralization of homorganic plosive-fricative pairs before /i/.

Recently I just can't take my brain off of making a language with phonemic linguo-labials and labial-velar consonants. I'm stuck on it.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Shemtov » 15 Sep 2014 17:36

Gacucakim: a Con-conlang used by some sects of Gacucism, the Pago religion as a liturgical language.

/p b t d k g ʔ/ <p b t d k g '>
/m n/ <m n>
/| |ʰ/ <c ch>
/f s x/ <f s h>
/l ɹ w/ <l r w>
/r/ <rr>


/a i u/<a i u>

Phonotactics: (C)V(C)
Only codas are unvoiced stops and nasals.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 20 Sep 2014 21:58

Based on the small-caps IPA symbols.

Blah /ʙʟɶʜ/
/ɢ ʛ ɴ ʁ ʜ ʙ ʀ ʟ/ <k g n x h b r l>
/ʏ ɶ/ <y a>

Edit: Also, here's a really symmetric one:

/m̥ n̥ ɲ̊ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hny hng>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/p t c k/ <p t c k>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/ɸ s ç x/ <f s x h>
/β z ʝ ɣ/ <v z jh gh>
/w ɹ j ɰ/ <w r y o>
/u a i ə/ <u a i e>

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Incorruptus » 22 Sep 2014 17:32

Dezinaa wrote:Based on the small-caps IPA symbols.

Blah /ʙʟɶʜ/
/ɢ ʛ ɴ ʁ ʜ ʙ ʀ ʟ/ <k g n x h b r l>
/ʏ ɶ/ <y a>
"ʜɶʟʏ" crap!!

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by wintiver » 23 Sep 2014 19:38

Incorruptus wrote:
Dezinaa wrote:Based on the small-caps IPA symbols.

Blah /ʙʟɶʜ/
/ɢ ʛ ɴ ʁ ʜ ʙ ʀ ʟ/ <k g n x h b r l>
/ʏ ɶ/ <y a>
"ʜɶʟʏ" crap!!
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Nortaneous » 24 Sep 2014 03:57

Zzyx-wqnp (Vian):

/p b t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d c z tr dr ch j k g>
/f s ʂ ɕ x/ <f s sh x h>
/mb~m nd~ndz~n ɲɟ~ɲ/ <bb~m dd~zz~n jj~ny>
/ʋ~w r j/ <w r y>
/a ɒ e ə o i u z̩ v̩/ <a q e z o i u y v>
/ã ɒ̃ ẽ ə̃ õ ĩ ũ/ <an qn en zn on in un>
/m̩ n̩ ɲ̩ ŋ̩/ <m n ny ng>
/á ā à â/ <ap a at ax>

Thinking about killing some of the coronals -- it's too Chinese-like now -- or adding /pɕ bʑ/ as allowed onsets.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 24 Sep 2014 04:28

Nortaneous wrote:Zzyx-wqnp (Vian):

/p b t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d c z tr dr ch j k g>
/f s ʂ ɕ x/ <f s sh x h>
/mb~m nd~ndz~n ɲɟ~ɲ/ <bb~m dd~zz~n jj~ny>
/ʋ~w r j/ <w r y>
/a ɒ e ə o i u z̩ v̩/ <a q e z o i u y v>
/ã ɒ̃ ẽ ə̃ õ ĩ ũ/ <an qn en zn on in un>
/m̩ n̩ ɲ̩ ŋ̩/ <m n ny ng>
/á ā à â/ <ap a at ax>

Thinking about killing some of the coronals -- it's too Chinese-like now -- or adding /pɕ bʑ/ as allowed onsets.
My two cents' worth: Definitely add /pɕ bʑ/ as initial clusters (and if phonotactics are otherwise fairly restrictive consider analysing them as phonemes?). Remove the retroflexes?

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Incorruptus » 24 Sep 2014 05:09

Nortaneous wrote:Zzyx-wqnp (Vian):

/p b t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d c z tr dr ch j k g>
/f s ʂ ɕ x/ <f s sh x h>
/mb~m nd~ndz~n ɲɟ~ɲ/ <bb~m dd~zz~n jj~ny>
/ʋ~w r j/ <w r y>
/a ɒ e ə o i u z̩ v̩/ <a q e z o i u y v>
/ã ɒ̃ ẽ ə̃ õ ĩ ũ/ <an qn en zn on in un>
/m̩ n̩ ɲ̩ ŋ̩/ <m n ny ng>
/á ā à â/ <ap a at ax>

Thinking about killing some of the coronals -- it's too Chinese-like now -- or adding /pɕ bʑ/ as allowed onsets.
Palatalized distinction of retroflex consonants before front vowels, i.e. a merger of palatal and retroflex. (I still have a time with that one.) Keep the palatal nasal...except the syllabic <ny>. (It sounds odd to me, honestly.) The contrast of the proposed merger and your <jj~ny> seems neat for some reason.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Incorruptus » 24 Sep 2014 23:49

wintiver wrote:
Incorruptus wrote:
Dezinaa wrote:Based on the small-caps IPA symbols.

Blah /ʙʟɶʜ/
/ɢ ʛ ɴ ʁ ʜ ʙ ʀ ʟ/ <k g n x h b r l>
/ʏ ɶ/ <y a>
"ʜɶʟʏ" crap!!
[+1] x
Thanks. It's weird, I've never gotten a [+1]...

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by All4Ɇn » 30 Sep 2014 03:20

So here's a cyrillic based one I've been working on
Phonology:
Consonants:
Nasal: /m n ɲ ŋ/ <м н ниь нь>
Stop: /p b t d k ɡ/ <п б/вв т д к г>
Affricate: /t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ц/тс/тз зь/дз ч дж>
Sibilant Fricatives: /s z ʃ ʒ ɕ ʑ/ <с з ш ж щ жь>
Non-Sibilant Fricatives: /f v ç x h/ <ф в ѓ х г̀ >
Approximates: /j w/ <й в̩/в>
Trills: /r ʀ/ <р рр/рг>
Lateral Approximates: /l ɫ/ /лл л/

Vowels:
Close: /i y ɨ ʉ u/ <и у ы уь оу>
Near Close Mid: /ɪ ʏ ʊ/ <и/и́ у/у́ оуь>
Close Mid: /e ø o/ <ъе́ ӧ/ъё о>
Mid: /ə/ <а̀/ъѐ>
Open Mid: /ɛ œ/ <э/ъе ӧ/о̋>
Open: /a ɑ/ <а/а́ а>

Palatal Approximate + Vowels:
Close: /ji jy jɨ jʉ ju/ <и̩ ю йы йуь юь>
Near Close Mid: /jɪ jʏ jʊ/ <и̩/и̩́ ю/ю́ о̩уь>
Close Mid: /je jø jo/ <е́ ё о̩>
Mid: /jə/ <ѐ>
Open Mid: /jɛ jœ/ <е ё/е̋>
Open: /ja jɑ/ <я/я́ я>

Alphabet:
Аа Бб Вв В̩в̩ Гг Ѓѓ Г̀г̀ Дд Ее Ёё Жж Зз Ии И̩и̩ Йй Кк Лл Мм Нн Оо Ӧӧ О̩о̩ Пп Рр Сс Тт Уу Фф Хх Цц Чч Шш Щщ Ьь Ыы Ъъ Ээ Юю Яя

More in-depth on orthography
Spoiler:
Vowels and Vowel Combinations
Аа- /ɑ/
(If unstressed) /a/
А́а́- (If stressed) /a/
А̀а̀- /ə/
Ее- /jɛ/
Е́е́- /je/
Ѐѐ- /jə/
Ёё- /jø/
(If unstressed) /jœ/
Е̋е̋- (If stressed) /jœ/
Ии- /i/
(If unstressed) /ɪ/
И́и́- (If stressed) /ɪ/
И̩и̩- (If stressed) /ji/
(If unstressed) /jɪ/
И̩́и̩́- (If stressed) /jɪ/
Оо- /o/
Ӧӧ- /ø/
(If unstressed) /œ/
О̋о̋- (If stressed) /œ/
О̩о̩- /jo/
Уу- /y/
(If before Вв) /i/
(If unstressed) /ʏ/
У́у́- (If stressed) /ʏ/
У̀у̀- (If before Вв) /y/
Ыы- /ɨ/
Ээ- /ɛ/
Юю- /jy/
(If unstressed) /jʏ/
Ю́ю́- (If stressed) /jʏ/
Яя- /jɑ/
(If unstressed) /ja/
Я́я́- (If stressed) /ja/
Йуь- /jʉ/
Йы- /jɨ/
Оу- /u/
Оуь- /ʊ/
О̩уь- /jʊ/
Уь- /ʉ/
Юь- /ju/
Consonants and Consonant Combinations:
Бб- /b/ (Only used at the beginnings of words, before Вв, between consonants and vowels, and in loanwords)
Вв- /v/
(If doubled) /b/
(If after /p/, /b/, /f/, /ŋ/, /ç/, /x/, /ʁ/, /ɨ/, or /ʉ/) /w/
В̩в̩- /w/
Гг- /ɡ/
Ѓѓ- /ç/
Г̀г̀- /h/
Дд- /d/
(If before /m/, /n/, /ŋ/, or /ɲ/) /ʒ/
(If before /o/) /dj/
Жж- /ʒ/
Зз- /z/
Йй- /j/
Кк- /k/
Лл- /ɫ/
(If doubled) /l/
Мм- /m/
Нн- /n/
(If at the end of a word) /◌̃/ on previous vowel
Пп- /p/
Рр- /r/
(If doubled) /ʀ/
Сс- /s/
Тт- /t/
Фф- /f/
Хх- /x/
Цц- /t͡s/
Чч- /t͡ʃ/
Шш- /ʃ/
Щщ- /ɕ/
Ьь- /∅/ (Mostly used in combinations)
Ъъ- Indicates following vowel’s /j/ is dropped
Бвь- /bv/
Дж- /d͡ʒ/
Дз- /d͡z/
Жь- /ʑ/
Зж- /zʃ/
Зь- /d͡z/
Ниь- /ɲ/
Нм- /nm/
(If at the end of a word) /n/
Нмь- (If at the end of a word) /nm/
Нь- /ŋ/
Рг- /rɡ/
(If at the beginning of a word) /ʀ/
Tз- /t͡s/
Тс- /t͡s/
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 30 Sep 2014 03:24

When you say "cyrillic-based", do you mean that it is written with the Cyrillic alphabet? Or did you base the phonology on natlangs that are written with the Cyrillic alphabet? I'm guessing the first, but I want to make sure.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by All4Ɇn » 30 Sep 2014 03:36

shimobaatar wrote:When you say "cyrillic-based", do you mean that it is written with the Cyrillic alphabet? Or did you base the phonology on natlangs that are written with the Cyrillic alphabet? I'm guessing the first, but I want to make sure.
Definitely the first but there's definitely some Cyrillic natlang (mostly east Slavic) influence.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Dezinaa » 01 Oct 2014 21:39

/m n/ <m n>
/p t k kʷ ʔ/ <p t k q '>
/s x xʷ h/ <s x xw h>
/ɾ j w/ <r i u>
/i ɨ u e o a/ <i y u e o a>

C(ɾ,j,w)V(j,w)

I'm going to try to use this inventory for at least a month:

/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p t k ʔ/ <p t k ’>
/i u a/ <i u a>

Tones:
/a˦ a˧ a˨/ <á a à>

(C)V(C)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Incorruptus » 02 Oct 2014 17:47

Dezinaa wrote:
I'm going to try to use this inventory for at least a month:

/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p t k ʔ/ <p t k ’>
/i u a/ <i u a>

Tones:
/a˦ a˧ a˨/ <á a à>

(C)V(C)
Perhaps allophony depending on the environments of different clusters? Vowels?

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