Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by shimobaatar » 28 Dec 2019 18:47

Creyeditor wrote:
28 Dec 2019 18:43
Looks very okay, it's basically a standard 5 vowel system plus back rounded vowels. I think some phonologists would use the IPA symbols for centrals vowels instead, but that does not really make a difference, I guess.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by LinguoFranco » 28 Dec 2019 19:41

Creyeditor wrote:
28 Dec 2019 18:43
Looks very okay, it's basically a standard 5 vowel system plus back rounded vowels. I think some phonologists would use the IPA symbols for centrals vowels instead, but that does not really make a difference, I guess.
Thanks! My concern was with having the back vowels outnumbering the front vowels, which I know is unusual among natural languages.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 28 Dec 2019 22:36

/m n ŋ ŋʲ~ɲ/ m n ŋ ń
/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/f v θ~ð s z x~h ɣ~w/ f v þ/ð s z h w
/l j/ l y
/r/ r

/i u ʊ e o ʌ a ɒ/ i u ü e o å a ô
Stress is marked with an acute accent.
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 04 Jan 2020 07:01

Spent what free time I had over the last two days toying with this Arabic-inspired phonology. I like many things about it, not least the romanisation. I want to come up with another romanisation that doesn’t disallow digraphs unlike this one.

/m n ŋ/ m n ṅ
/t t͡ɕ k q ʔ/ t ć k q ’
/b d d͡ʑ g ɢ/ b d j g c
/sˤ s ɕ x h/ ṣ s ś x h
/(β) zˤ z ʑ ɣ/ v ẓ z ź ġ
/θˤ ɬ ʟ̥/ þ ł ƛ
/ðˤ l ʟ/ đ l λ
/r j w/ r y w

The language probably has vowels, too.
Edit: Although I probably won’t spend much time developing this, I decided this phonology should be used in a mostly analytical isolang because that is the last thing it looks like it should be.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 12 Jan 2020 11:34

The recent threads by Davush and VaptuantaDoi have been giving me ideas lately. Here’s a tiny phonology I like:

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p  k  ʔ
f  s  h
o  i  a
Fairly free phonotactics including the following:
p k can be geminated
f s can be syllabic, long or short
Long vowel chains are permitted with glide allophones of i o

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by VaptuantaDoi » 12 Jan 2020 21:19

DesEsseintes wrote:
12 Jan 2020 11:34
The recent threads by Davush and VaptuantaDoi have been giving me ideas lately. Here’s a tiny phonology I like:

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p  k  ʔ
f  s  h
o  i  a
Fairly free phonotactics including the following:
p k can be geminated
f s can be syllabic, long or short
Long vowel chains are permitted with glide allophones of i o
Glad I was a source of ideas! The consonants look a bit like a Polynesian language minus the nasals... pretty similar to Luangiua without /m ŋ l/. The syllabic fricatives are cool in such a small inventory; they remind me of the fricated vowels in the Lakes Plain languages. Is there a diachronic explanation for the lack of /t/? It looks like there was the Hawai'ian shift of /t k/ → /k ʔ/, or maybe something more complicated.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Porphyrogenitos » 13 Jan 2020 00:46

A vowel harmony system I've had in mind for some time, but never got around to using. It would probably feature in a language with Finno-Ugric or Turkic-style agglutination. It's specifically height harmony, which is very rare but attested in the world's languages.

High:
/i ə u/
/iə̯ iu̯ əi̯ əu̯ uə̯ ui̯/

Low:
/e a o/
/ea̯ eo̯ ae̯ ao̯ oa̯ oe̯/

The orthography would be pretty straightforward, just using the IPA vowel symbols, without the underbreve(?) on the diphthong offglides. However, /ə/ would be represented with <Ȧ ȧ>, at least officially; in practice it might be left off - if a word contained both <a> and <i>, for example, you'd know that <a> was /ə/. Except in the case of compounds, where harmony might be broken, but you'd be able to tell that from context. Context would probably usually differentiate minimal pairs like /kat/ <kat> and /kət/ <kȧt>, but the orthographic distinction might be useful there.

For suffixes that are realized as either high or low depending on the word they attach to, you could posit the following underspecified archiphonemes:

|I A U|
|IA IU AI AU UA UI|

Not sure what exactly the consonant inventory would be like.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Creyeditor » 14 Jan 2020 00:54

This looks very cool. I think for the consonants, you have several options. You could go for something Kordofanian, like Moro, which has height harmony. I think something Hungarian-like would also fit, since the geographically close Romanian has similar diphthongs. I would also love to see this combined with a Turkic-style consonant inventory.
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