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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by eldin raigmore » 16 Aug 2018 17:39

Birdlang wrote:
16 Aug 2018 00:00
/aː/ ā
/a˩ a˨ a˧ a˦ a˥ a˧˥ a˥˧ a˧˩ a˩˥/ aɩ aƨ aꝫ aꜭ aƽ aỽ aɟ aȣ aꝯ or ã à â á ă ả ą a̍ ạ
Tones only occur on non-stressed syllables
Stressed syllables are recognized for not having a tone mark
The syllables with glide tones are probably going to be longer than the syllables with level tones or without tones, which naturalistically and realistically means they’d probably attract stress.
Realistically and naturalistically unstressed syllables are likelier to assimilate to the tones of their neighboring stressed syllables than the other way around.
Maybe you don’t want this particular conlang to be naturalistic nor realistic about the tone-stress interaction?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 17 Aug 2018 13:25

/p t k/
/d~ɾ g/
/t͡s/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/w j/

/i u/
/e ə o/
/a/

/a ə/ front to /e i/ before /j/ and back to /o u/ before /w/

Syllable structure is CV(ŋ), where the coda nasal assimilates to the POA of a following consonant, and /ŋw/ > /m/ and /ŋj/ > /ɲ/.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by LinguoFranco » 18 Aug 2018 19:35

Here's an inventory I came up with. What do you think?

/m mʲ mʷ n ɲ nʷ/
/p pʲ pʷ t t͡ʃʷ d d͡ʒʷ k c kʷ g ɟ gʷ/
/s sʲ sʷ z zʲ zʷ ʃ ʃʷ ʒ ʒʷ ɸ ɸʲ ɸʷ β βʲ βʷ x xʷ xʲ/
/l r j ʍ ʎ ʟ/
/t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/

/i~ə~u/
/e~a~o/

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 19 Aug 2018 13:45

eldin raigmore wrote:
16 Aug 2018 17:39
Birdlang wrote:
16 Aug 2018 00:00
/aː/ ā
/a˩ a˨ a˧ a˦ a˥ a˧˥ a˥˧ a˧˩ a˩˥/ aɩ aƨ aꝫ aꜭ aƽ aỽ aɟ aȣ aꝯ or ã à â á ă ả ą a̍ ạ
Tones only occur on non-stressed syllables
Stressed syllables are recognized for not having a tone mark
The syllables with glide tones are probably going to be longer than the syllables with level tones or without tones, which naturalistically and realistically means they’d probably attract stress.
Realistically and naturalistically unstressed syllables are likelier to assimilate to the tones of their neighboring stressed syllables than the other way around.
Maybe you don’t want this particular conlang to be naturalistic nor realistic about the tone-stress interaction?
Trying to not be so realistic as it’s going to be spoken by aliens anyways.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 19 Aug 2018 14:06

Here’s some more conlangs
/p t c k ʔ f s ç x h m n ɲ j w l ʎ i y u e ø o æ a/ p t c k q f s x g h m n ñ j w l ł i ü u e ö o ä a

/p b t d ʈ ɖ c ɟ k g/ p b t d ṭ ḍ ḱ ǵ k g
/ɸ β θ ð s z ʂ ʐ ç ʝ ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ f v ṯ ḏ s z ṣ ẓ ś ź š ž ḵ ḡ h
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ m n ṇ ń ŋ
/ts dz ʈʂ ɖʐ tʃ dʒ/ c ʒ č̣ ǯ̣ č ǯ
/j w/ j w
/l ɭ ʎ/ l ḷ ĺ
/ɾ ɾʲ ɽ/ r ŕ ṛ

/i y ɪ e ø ɛ æ/ i ü ì é ö è e
/ɨ ʉ ɪ̈ ɘ ɵ ɜ a/ î û ǐ ê ô ě â
/ɯ u ʊ ɤ o ɔ ɑ/ ï u ù ë o ò a

/t k s h n j l i e ɨ ə a/ t k s h n j l i e u o a

/p d c k ʔ f s z ç xʷ ħ ʕ h m n ɴ ɻ y ɨ ɪ ʊ ø ɚ ɛ ʌ ɔ æ ɒ/ ƃ ƌ ƈ ƣ ɥ φ ʃ ʒ ȼ ɯ ɦ ɔ ƕ ɱ ɴ ŋ ʀ ʏ ɩ ɪ ʊ ɵ ɽ ə ɣ ɶ ƅ ɐ
Which is romanized as p d c k ʹ f s z j w ħ ç h m n n̄ r ü ï i u ö ë e ä o ḁ a
Greek script π δ τ κ ϙ φ σ ζ ϳ ϝ ϣ ϫ χ μ ν ν̄ ρ ϋ ϊ ι υ ω η ε έ ο ά α
Cyrillic script п д ч к ф с з ҫ х ҳ ӽ һ м н ӈ р ү ы и у ө ӛ э ә о ӑ a
Devanagari script प द ज क ॽ फ स झ य़ व़ ह़ क़ ह म न ङ र उॕ इॕ इ उ ऑ ऍ ए अॕ ओ आ अ
The native script uses similar characters to what’s shown in the first transcription. Here are the capital and small
Ƀƃ Đƌ Ȝƈ Ɵƣ Ʋɥ Øφ ßʃ Ȥʒ Ɔȼ Ƕɯ Ħɦ Cɔ Hƕ Mɱ Nɴ Ƞŋ Rʀ Yʏ Iɩ İɪ Uʊ Ƣɵ Ʀɽ ƍə Γɣ Œɶ Bƅ Aɐ
The characters look similar to those, which is why I used them in Latin script
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by gestaltist » 19 Aug 2018 18:05

A phonemic inventory inspired by my daughter's current speech patterns:

Stops: /p t t͜ɕ k b d d͜ʑ/
Fricatives: /ɕ ʑ h/
Nasals: /m n ɲ/
Approximants: /w ɹ l j/
Vowels: /a e i o u/

Syllable shape is (C)V(K) where C is any consonant, V is any vowel, and K is any consonant other than /b d d͜ʑ w ɹ j h/.

/a/ is fronted to [æ] near palatals.
/e/ is [ɛ]
/o/ is [ʌ~ɔ]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Auvon » 19 Aug 2018 20:50

language ol

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m  n
   t     k
b  d  j  g
b' d'
f  s
   r  y
-----------
      i  u
      e øo
      ɛę ɔǫ
       aą
́   ̀ (that is, high and low tone (as well as unmarked, phonetically either mid or low)) 
<j b' d' y ø V̨> are /ɟ~d͡ʒ ɓ ɗ j ɵ Ṽ/ (well, midlow not midhigh for the mid nasals) everything else according to ipa

syllable structure is (C)V(sonorants | various mutators that if linearizable might be analyzed as segmental phonemes in some situations, primarily geminators) let's just say (C)V(S)

example sentences

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tɛbˀù utárę̀
tɛbˀù ut-́árę
*tebbu I-burn
note: infelicitous because practically impossible.
--
fø̀sa ɔ́màrę
fø̀sa ɔ́m-árę
feusa III-burn
the feusa burns
--
fø̀sa tárę
fø̀sa t-árę
squash XII-burn
the squash burns
tebbu: it means a large stone that is erected in the center of religiously-recognized settlements which is inscribed with major town events, from bottom to top. average stones are about 20dm high. larger ones can even reach up to 60dm!
feusa: a type of squat candle
classes I, III, and XII: long+rigid, short, edible plants respectively. verbs take agreement for the class of their most salient argument (modifiers to nouns take the same affixes, probably).

preliminary tonal shit: if there is a floating tone which the tbu it wishes to apply to already is toned, then this second tone migrates right. if there is more interference here move right more. after this is applied the set of rules HH>HL LL>LH applies.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by opipik » 19 Aug 2018 21:57

Now that's something I haven't seen in ages!

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Auvon » 19 Aug 2018 22:06

opipik wrote:
19 Aug 2018 21:57
Now that's something I haven't seen in ages!
this is all copied from stuff i posted in shitpost, mainly

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 20 Aug 2018 12:56

/pʰ tʰ (kʰ) kʷʰ qʰ/
/p’ t’ t͡s’ t͡ɬ’ t͡ʂ’ t͡ɕ’ kʷ’ q’/
/s ɬ ʂ ɕ ħ/
/m n l ɺʳ j w/

/iː ʊ ʉː/
/ə oː/
/æː ɑː/

There is a two-tone system of high vs. low.

Syllable structure is (C)CV, where clusters are restricted to /p k q/ plus /s ɬ ʂ ɕ/, or /p t/ + /ħ/ (note that these plain stops represent a neutralisation of both series).

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 20 Aug 2018 18:41

Sketches
/m n p b t d c k g q f v s z x h r l j w i y u e o a/ m n p b t d ť k g q f v s z x h r l j w i y u e o a
/m n ɲ p t k f θʼ s x ħʷ h ɺ j w ð̞ i y ʉ ɯ u ʊ̈ e ø ɤ o ɛ ʌ ɔ ɒ/ m n ñ p t k f x s ç v h l j w d i ü û ï u ū e ö ë o è ä ò a
/m n p t k f ɕ χ ɦ ʦ ʋ ð̞ j ɺ̃ ɭ ɮ e o ɑ/ m n p t k f š s h c u d i ł l ľ e o a
/m n ɴ~Ṽ b t k f s ð ʑ ɣ h ɻ j w ɫ ʁ̞ʷ i u e o a/ m n ñ~Vñ/n/m b t k f s d z g h r y w l q i u e o a
/m n p t k q ʔ f s ʂ ʒ ɣ χ ʕ h h̃ ɹ ɥ~j w~ɰ ʟ i iː y yː ɯ ɯː u uː e eː ø øː ɤ ɤː o oː ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː ɑ ɑː/ m n p t k q ķ f s ṡ c z g x h ȟ r j w l i ī y ȳ ï ï̄ u ū e ē ö ȫ ë ë̄ o ō ä ǟ ȧ ǡ ȯ ȱ a ā. Vowels can also be spelt i í y ý ă ắ u ú e é ø ǿ ĕ ĕ́ o ó æ ǽ ŏ ŏ́ å ǻ a á
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by eldin raigmore » 21 Aug 2018 02:57

@Birdlang, I don’t think you have enough phonemes in your inventory.
You especially don’t have enough vowel-phonemes.
And you’ve severely underused the diacritical marks.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by opipik » 21 Aug 2018 18:00

@Birdlang in case you think Eldin is serious, he isn't. These inventories are fine* except the second one, which would benefit from cutting some vowels out.

*They're fine. What's with the random ejective in the second and the random nasalized flap in the third, though?

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 24 Aug 2018 13:52

opipik wrote:
21 Aug 2018 18:00
@Birdlang in case you think Eldin is serious, he isn't. These inventories are fine* except the second one, which would benefit from cutting some vowels out.

*They're fine. What's with the random ejective in the second and the random nasalized flap in the third, though?
Those 2 have sound changes. The elective comes from /tθ/ and the nasalized one from /Ṽɾ/.
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 24 Aug 2018 14:00

Next
/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ f v s z š ž x ğ h
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ c dz č dž
/l w j/ l w~ŭ j~ĭ
/r/ r

/i ɨ u e ɤ o ə ɛ ɜ ɔ æ a/ i y u e ö o ə ĕ ë ŏ ä a

Next
/p d k f s x h ts m n j w y u e ø o æ a/ p d k f s x h c m n y w ü u e ö o ä a

/p t c k ʔ/ p t c k ʔ
/f s ʃ x ħ h/ f s š ḫ ḥ h
/ts tʃ kx/ c č ḳ
/ʋ ɹ j w/ v r j w
/l/ l

/i y e ø æ/ i ü e ö æ
/ɨ ə a/ ê â a
/ɯ u ɤ o ɒ/ ư u ơ o å
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Shemtov » 26 Aug 2018 09:40

A Protolang:
/p b ⁿb t d ⁿd ʈ ɖ ⁿɖ k g ⁿg k͡p g͡b/
/m n ɳ ŋ ŋ͡m/
/s ɕ xʷ h/
/β̞ ɹ~ɻ j w/
/ʍ/
'
/i: ɪ: e: ɛ: ɨ: ə: ʉ: ɵ: u: ʊ: o: ɔ: ɑ: ɐ:/
/i ɪ e ɛ ɨ ə ʉ ɵ u ʊ o ɔ ɑ ɐ/
/ɑi oi ei ɐɪ ɔɪ ɛɪ ɑu ou eu ɐʊ ɔʊ ɛʊ/

Phonotactics:
(C)V(C)
Prenaslized stops, Labiovelars, and /ʍ/ are forbidden syllable finally.
Tenseness harmony exists.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 27 Aug 2018 07:59

Scribblings for a Northeast Asian sprachbundlang that may or may not become the latest incarnation of Sōkoan.

/m n/ m n
/p t t͡s t͡ɕ k/ p t ts ch k
/b d d͡z d͡ʑ g/ b d z zh g
/s ɕ h/ s sh h
/ɾ/ r
/j ɥ (ɰ) w/ y yu ġ w

/a o e u ɯ y i/ a o e u ? yu ı
/ja jo je ju/ ya yo ye yuu
/ɥe/ yue
/ɰa ɰe ɰɯ/ ġa ġe ġ?
/wa wo we (wi)/ wa wo we wı

/k g/ are palatal [c ɟ] before /i y j ɥ/
/t t͡s d d͡z s/ are palatalised [t͡ɕ t͡ɕ d͡ʑ d͡ʑ ɕ] before /i y j ɥ/; Strictly speaking, all instances of /t͡ɕ d͡ʑ ɕ/ could be analysed as underlying clusters but since they frequently occur in roots without any synchronic morfofo involved, I’m keeping them as phonemes.
/p b m/ can cluster with /j/ but not with either of the rounded glides.
/ɰ/ never occurs word-initially.

In the romanisation, y is not written following a palatoalveolar consonant. /t͡ɕy/ is chu and not chyu etc.

High vowel harmony:
Suffixes with the archi-vowel phoneme U have one of three possible allomorphs:
1. Following a syllable with a nucleus in one of /u o wo we/: U → /u/ (to be expanded)
2. Following a syllable with a nucleus in one of /y ɥe ju/: U → /y/ (to be expanded)
3. All other cases: U → /ɯ/

yueren
chaġartte
yuerttınan
orbonggwe
yeppyoron
aryugyur

I really liked this last night, but the harsh daylight of the “morning after”* is not being too kind...

*It’s actually mid-afternoon
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cedh » 27 Aug 2018 12:58

Nice!

(I'd probably use ə for /ɯ/, by the way.)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by LinguoFranco » 28 Aug 2018 16:48

I'm working on my personal language, though my phoneme inventory and phonotactics are not set in stone, yet.

/m n ɲ/
/p t c k ʔ/
/s ʃ h ɦ/
/j w~ʋ l r ʍ ɬ/
/t͡ʃ t͡s/

/a e i o u/

Here are the consonants that can occur in the coda position: /n m l r ɬ ʔ/

The vowel system is kinda boring, I know, though I personally like simply vowel systems, especially the basic one with the five vowels /a e i o u/, or the Nahuatl four vowels /a e i o/.

I'm debating how much of a role palatalization and labialization are going to play in the sound changing process. The only reason I forbid palatals like /c/ or /ɲ/ in the coda position, is because I cannot really pronounce them that way with the possible exception of them occurring word-finally. I may need to tweak the coda set anyway, as it is a mora timed language, and I want the CVC syllable to vary between a light or a heavy syllable depending on whether the coda is an sonorant or an obstruent.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Kawdek » 29 Aug 2018 01:22

/m̥ m n̥ n ɳ̊ ɳ ɲ̊ ɲ ŋ̊ ŋ ŋ̊ʷ ŋʷ/
/pʰ p b tʰ t d tsʰ ts dz tʂʰ tʂ dʐ tɕʰ tɕ dʑ kʰ k g kʷʰ kʷ gʷ ʔ/
/f v s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ h/
/j w r̥ r ɮ/

/a ɛ e i ɨ ɔ o u v̩~z̩~ʐ̩~ʑ̩~ɮ̩/
/ã ĩ ɨ̃ ũ/

C(C)V(C)

There are 3 pitch accents (plain, high falling, low rising) which can fall on any syllable.

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