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holbuzvala
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by holbuzvala » 21 Aug 2019 22:55

@Ahzoh

Not sure if this helps, but in one of my langs I diachronically generated /ʝ ɣʷ/ like so:

/ɣiV ɣuV/ -> /ɣʲV ɣʷV/ -> /ʝV ɣʷV/

Might work without those final vowels.

So I have /tʰ/ which changes to /r̥/ when bounded by vowels or a word boundary. e.g.: /tʰatʰ/-> /r̥ar̥/, /atʰa/ -> /ar̥a/.

However, I am having trouble deciding what /tʰ/ should become when adjacent to other consonants, particularly stops and voiced sonorants. The current consonant inventory is as follows:

/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ pʲ tʲ kʲ pʷ tʷ kʷ/
/s t͡s/
/m n ŋ/
/r l ɣ/

Any ideas? /pʰ/ becomes /f/ everywhere, so maybe /tʰ/ could become /s/ in clusters?

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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by Nortaneous » 24 Aug 2019 08:44

the only language I know of with *tʰ > r̥ is Nivkh, and Nivkh doesn't object at all to /r̥/ in clusters

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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by Nloki » 25 Aug 2019 00:11

Are synthetic languages likely to evolve nominal classifiers?

For instance, telling apart the meanings of "word" and "concept" by means of those classifiers? Or is that just derivation? If so, are classifiers more characteristic of analytic languages?

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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by yangfiretiger121 » 25 Aug 2019 01:04

Are palatalized/velarized aspirated consonants more correctly transcribed as [Cʰʲ, Cʰˠ] or [Cʲʰ, Cˠʰ]?
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by shimobaatar » 25 Aug 2019 01:42

yangfiretiger121 wrote:
25 Aug 2019 01:04
Are palatalized/velarized aspirated consonants more correctly transcribed as [Cʰʲ, Cʰˠ] or [Cʲʰ, Cˠʰ]?
In my experience, [Cʲʰ, Cˠʰ].

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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by yangfiretiger121 » 25 Aug 2019 01:54

shimobaatar wrote:
25 Aug 2019 01:42
yangfiretiger121 wrote:
25 Aug 2019 01:04
Are palatalized/velarized aspirated consonants more correctly transcribed as [Cʰʲ, Cʰˠ] or [Cʲʰ, Cˠʰ]?
In my experience, [Cʲʰ, Cˠʰ].
That was very helpful. Thanks!
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Re: (Conlangs) Q&A Thread - Quick questions go here

Post by yangfiretiger121 » 25 Aug 2019 04:36

Painting with very broad strokes, could devoicing of nasals (cf. [mˠ → m̥ˠ]) or aspiration (cf. [pˠ → pˠʰ]) be classified under lenition, or do I have to come use other markers for those changes? Currently, my main language uses Gaelic's old dot above diacritic to mark all forms of mutation that could be read as lenition.
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