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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Lambuzhao » 17 May 2013 00:28

Khemehekis wrote:Another question.

But I can't find a list of the ten most common Ukrainian surnames anywhere. Does anybody
here know what they are?
{Lifted from Ukrainian Wikipedia - Українські прізвища Ukrainian Surnames}

Найпоширеніші українські прізвища [ред.]

Станом на 2001 рік найпоширенішими прізвищами серед громадян України були:

Шевченко (Shevchenko) — 158462 чоловік
Мельник (Melnyk) — 158042
Коваленко (Kovalenko) — 134291
Бондаренко (Bondarenko) — 133988
Ткаченко (Tkachenko) — 123594
Кравченко (Krevchenko) — 113851
Ковальчук (Kovalchyk) — 100598
Коваль (Koval) — 91339
Шевчук (Shevchyk) — 82397
Савченко (Sawchenko) — 67424

At another site, however, they claimed that the most statistically-common surname in Ukraine was Nazarenko.

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 19 May 2013 23:16

Thanks for the surname list. The air travel list now reads:

AIR TRAVEL
air sickness bag
black box
cockpit
control tower
customs
duty-free shop
gate
lounge
luggage
metal detector
oxygen mask
runway
to declare (luggage)
to board, to embark
to disembark
to take off
to land (of an airplane or spacecraft)
to hijack
to crash
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by xijlwya » 20 May 2013 08:01

Khemehekis wrote:The air travel list now reads:

AIR TRAVEL
[...]
There is no "plane" in the category air tavel?

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 20 May 2013 08:02

xijlwya wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:The air travel list now reads:

AIR TRAVEL
[...]
There is no "plane" in the category air tavel?
It's in the vehicles category.
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Post by xijlwya » 20 May 2013 08:04

Khemehekis wrote:
xijlwya wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:The air travel list now reads:

AIR TRAVEL
[...]
There is no "plane" in the category air tavel?
It's in the vehicles category.
Sorry, I just read that you wrote that beforehand. Should read the unread post before posting myself :mrgreen:

BTW, do you intend to have the list somewhere online? I think its a really great endevour and I am certainly interested in using it!

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 20 May 2013 09:29

Oh yes, when it's done I'll get the whole thing posted online. You may PM me with your email so I can email you what I have polished up right now.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by eldin raigmore » 20 May 2013 21:59

Khemehekis wrote:Oh yes, when it's done I'll get the whole thing posted online. You may PM me with your email so I can email you what I have polished up right now.
What kind of travel is it where you climb into the bucket of a trebuchet and get shot out? Or does that not count as "core vocabulary" because not enough people would actually ever do it?

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 20 May 2013 23:26

Probably not core vocabulary, you're right.
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Post by Keenir » 21 May 2013 03:21

eldin raigmore wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:Oh yes, when it's done I'll get the whole thing posted online. You may PM me with your email so I can email you what I have polished up right now.
What kind of travel is it where you climb into the bucket of a trebuchet and get shot out?
warfare.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 21 May 2013 07:05

Hmmm, I have a section for war-and-conquest verbs. The word "troops" goes under the CIVICS AND INSTITUTIONS category, as do "army" and "navy", so war-related nouns might fit there.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by eldin raigmore » 21 May 2013 14:20

Khemehekis wrote:Hmmm, I have a section for war-and-conquest verbs. The word "troops" goes under the CIVICS AND INSTITUTIONS category, as do "army" and "navy", so war-related nouns might fit there.
Would circus acts like Human Cannonball fit into the core anywhere?
If not Human Cannonball exactly, what about others -- tight-wire bicycling, trapeze, etc.? Acrobatics and aerobatics? Lion-taming? Dancing bears?

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 21 May 2013 22:43

eldin raigmore wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:Hmmm, I have a section for war-and-conquest verbs. The word "troops" goes under the CIVICS AND INSTITUTIONS category, as do "army" and "navy", so war-related nouns might fit there.
Would circus acts like Human Cannonball fit into the core anywhere?
If not Human Cannonball exactly, what about others -- tight-wire bicycling, trapeze, etc.? Acrobatics and aerobatics? Lion-taming? Dancing bears?
This kind of stuff would match the ACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT category. Trapeze, at least. Acrobat and lion tamer would go under PEOPLE.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 27 Apr 2014 02:47

The categories in the LCV have changed a considerable amount since I made the OP. Here is how it is currently structured:

PART I
Basic 150 list

PART II
Verb forms
Numeri
Pronouns
Determiners/pronouns
Relatives
Conjunctions
Conjunctions/adpositions
Prepositions or postpositions and cases
Adverbs
Words for comparison of adjectives
Interjections/sentences

PART III
Number words

PART IV
Directions
Adjectives that tell which one
Quality
Colors
Taste
Physical characteristics -- opposites
Entity
Sides of an object
Parts
Same and different
Cause and effect
Linking verbs
Vaic verbs
Adjectives of aspect
Adjectives of extent and sphere
Common and uncommon
Private and public
Measures
Collective nouns
Events
Place
Active entertainment
Passive entertainment
Achieving things
Manner and method
Civics and institutions
Rules and morality
Crime
Money
Reality
Ideals
Change
Inclusion and exclusion
Connection and separation
Friendship and altruism
Ideas
Thought
Thinking verbs
Feeling verbs
Speaking verbs
Verbs of creation
Giving and receiving
Verbs of physical contact
Verbs of position
Handling matter
Expressions and gestures
Bodily functions
The five senses
Your day
Verbs of movement
Verbs of physical aggression
Verbs of war
Damage and conflict
The natural world
Water
Husbandry and farming
Time
Form and pattern
Weights and measures
Substances
Metals
Physics
Food and drink
Drugs
Places
Establishments
Artificial locations
Music
Language
Identifying information
Published material
Mail
Containers
Vehicles
Parts of a car
Tools
Weapons
Musical instruments
School
Subjects of academic study
Electronics
The telephone
Computers
Around the house
Parts of the house
Clothing
Plant parts
Animal body
Human body
Physical description
Physical condition
Medicine
Life, philosophy, religion
Events in life
The workplace
Emotions
Personality
Plants
Animals
Family
People

PART V
More colors
More taste
More active entertainment
More passive entertainment
More crime
More natural world
More water
More husbandry and farming
More time
More form and pattern
More weights and measures
More substances
More metals
Other elements
More physics
More food and drink
More drugs
More places
More establishments
Place names, ethnicities, nationalities, languages
More music
More parts of a car
Sea travel
Public transportation
Air travel
More tools
More weapons
More musical instruments
More school
More subjects of academic study
Arithmetic
More electronics
More telephone
More computers
More objects around the house
More parts of the house
More clothing
More plant parts
More animal body
More human body
More physical description
More medicine
More life, philosophy, religion
More events in life
Simple life-forms
More plants
More animals
More people

APPENDIX
200 girls' names
150 boys' names
500 surnames
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by eldin raigmore » 02 Aug 2014 08:00

Khemehekis wrote:Vaic verbs
I cannot find "vaic" anywhere except as the surname of a Czech hockey player.
Could you have meant "vedic verbs"?

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Creyeditor » 02 Aug 2014 11:45

Maybe it's connected to the Romace word form <va> 'aller' instead.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 18 Aug 2014 07:49

eldin raigmore wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:Vaic verbs
I cannot find "vaic" anywhere except as the surname of a Czech hockey player.
Could you have meant "vedic verbs"?
It's not a typo, it's a word that was invented in Lehola Interplanetary English (LIE) to describe Kankonian grammar.

In Kankonian if a verb like "start", "stop", "continue", etc. is used with another verb, the particle va will come between them.

Is *aitzarten va hesi.
1sg begin-PST VA-PARTICLE speak
I began to speak.

These kind of verbs are called "vai" in Kankonian, from the particle "va" plus the adjectivizing suffix -i. In English the word is translated as "vaic".

Since in Terran English there was no pree:xisting word for this type of verb, I borrowed the Kankonian terminology as the name of this category.
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 07 Mar 2015 07:39

I have a dilemma in my LCV. Currently one portion of the People section of my list reads:

child
little girl
little boy
kid (children and teens inclusive)
teen-ager, teen, adolescent
girl
boy
youth (young people collectively)
twentysomething

Should I change it to:?

child
girl (female child)
boy (male child)
kid (children and teens inclusive)
teen-ager, teen, adolescent
girl (young woman)
boy (young man)
youth (young people collectively)
twentysomething
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by eldin raigmore » 08 Mar 2015 02:43

I can't tell, because in English some words are used both for a person and for a relationship.
For instance "child" is used both for a person of a certain age-range, and for the relationship of "offspring".

How do you separate out, for instance, the concept "female adult human" from the concept "female spouse"?
In French "femme" means both of those meanings.

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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Khemehekis » 08 Mar 2015 05:01

eldin raigmore wrote:I can't tell, because in English some words are used both for a person and for a relationship.
For instance "child" is used both for a person of a certain age-range, and for the relationship of "offspring".

How do you separate out, for instance, the concept "female adult human" from the concept "female spouse"?
In French "femme" means both of those meanings.
In the LCV, "child" (prepobescent person) and "woman" are listed under People, and "child" (reciprocal of parent) and "wife" are listed under Family.

That whole portion of People looks like this:

person, people*
individual
fetus
newborn
baby
toddler
child
little girl
little boy
kid (children and teens inclusive)
teen-ager, teen, adolescent
girl
boy
youth (young people collectively)
twentysomething
adult
woman, lady*
man*
married woman
married man
senior, senior citizen, elder
corpse

Whereas the Family section looks like this:

ancestor
descendant
parents
mother*
my mother, Mom
father*
my father, Dad
spouse, partner, mate
wife
husband
life partner
sibling
older sister (of a sister)
older sister (of a brother)
younger sister (of a sister)
younger sister (of a brother)
older brother (of a sister)
older brother (of a brother)
younger brother (of a sister)
younger brother (of a brother)
child (reciprocal of parent)
daughter (of a mother)
daughter (of a father)
son (of a mother)
son (of a father)
aunt (mother’s older sister)
aunt (mother’s younger sister)
aunt (mother’s brother’s wife)
aunt (father’s older sister)
aunt (father’s younger sister)
aunt (father’s brother’s wife)
uncle (mother’s older brother)
uncle (mother’s younger brother)
uncle (mother’s sister’s husband)
uncle (father’s older brother)
uncle (father’s younger brother)
uncle (father’s sister’s husband)
niece (sister’s daughter)
niece (spouse’s sister’s daughter)
niece (brother’s daughter)
niece (spouse’s brother’s daughter)
nephew (sister’s son)
nephew (spouse’s sister’s son)
nephew (brother’s son)
nephew (spouse’s brother’s son)
cousin (f., maternal)
cousin (m., maternal)
cousin (f., paternal)
cousin (m., paternal)
grandparent
maternal grandmother
paternal grandmother
maternal grandfather
paternal grandfather
grandchild
granddaughter (daughter’s daughter)
granddaughter (son’s daughter)
grandson (daughter’s son)
grandson (son’s son)
great-
sister-in-law (wife’s older sister)
sister-in-law (wife’s younger sister)
sister-in-law (husband’s older sister)
sister-in-law (husband’s younger sister)
sister-in-law (older brother’s wife)
sister-in-law (younger brother’s wife)
brother-in-law (wife’s older brother)
brother-in-law (wife’s younger brother)
brother-in-law (husband’s older brother)
brother-in-law (husband’s younger brother)
brother-in-law (older sister’s husband)
brother-in-law (younger sister’s husband)
mother-in-law (of a daughter-in-law)
mother-in-law (of a son-in-law)
father-in-law (of a daughter-in-law)
father-in-law (of a son-in-law)
daughter-in-law (of a mother-in-law)
daughter-in-law (of a father-in-law)
son-in-law (of a mother-in-law)
son-in-law (of a father-in-law)
stepmother
stepfather
stepsister (by a different mother)
stepsister (by a different father)
stepbrother (by a different mother)
stepbrother (by a different father)
stepdaughter
stepson
widow
only child
twin
to have (a relative)
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Re: The Landau Core Vocabulary

Post by Lao Kou » 08 Mar 2015 05:08

Khemehekis wrote:stepsister (by a different mother)
stepsister (by a different father)
stepbrother (by a different mother)
stepbrother (by a different father)
half-siblings? widower?
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