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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Dezinaa » 10 Nov 2014 20:44

XXXVII wrote:Finished my first pass of a new alphabet I've been working on. Not sure the language's phonology yet, or what (if anything) will come of it, but I think I like it. It was inspired by a Cyrillic font I found as well as the Latin Alphabet. All I know, is that it will have a lot more consonants than I usually work with and a more expansive vowel system as well. Mayhap it'll be that 3CON that apparently all conlangers create at some point. (I've yet to do one.)

At the moment, it is tentatively given the name Ögdru Srāʒèd /'øg.dɹu|'ʃɹaː.ʒəd/ (however, I might switch out /ʒ/ for /ʁ/!), based on the name of one of the primal evil entities named in Hellboy. No idea why I picked that, but it seems to fit.

An example spelling out the language's name:
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That's a cool script! It reminds me of Uncial.

XXXVII wrote:[...] that 3CON that apparently all conlangers create at some point.
I haven't heard of this.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 10 Nov 2014 21:10

Dezinaa wrote:That's a cool script! It reminds me of Uncial.
Thanks! Indeed it does. The particular Cyrillic font I took inspiration from was somewhat similar to Uncial in some ways. However, I have removed some of the points which made it vary from Uncial, and emphasized some of the things that make it more resemble it, or so it seems. It wasn't really a conscious decision.
XXXVII wrote:[...] that 3CON that apparently all conlangers create at some point.
I haven't heard of this.
There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language, a language with no verbs, a language with all vowels or no vowels, and at least one horrid kitchen sink language. There are others, but I don't recall all of what's been said on it.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 10 Nov 2014 21:14

XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language, a language with no verbs, a language with all vowels or no vowels, and at least one horrid kitchen sink language. There are others, but I don't recall all of what's been said on it.
Well I only did one of those I ain't doing any of the others!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Micamo » 10 Nov 2014 21:21

XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language
It's no myth! It's Micamo's Second Law of Conlanging, and it's even more ironclad than the second law of thermodynamics!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Dezinaa » 10 Nov 2014 21:21

XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language, a language with no verbs, a language with all vowels or no vowels, and at least one horrid kitchen sink language. There are others, but I don't recall all of what's been said on it.
I've done a lang without vowels and a kitchen sink lang, but it wasn't terribly kitchen sinky. I haven't made a triconsonantal root lang or a verbless lang (yet...)

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 10 Nov 2014 21:33

Micamo wrote:
XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language
It's no myth! It's Micamo's Second Law of Conlanging, and it's even more ironclad than the second law of thermodynamics!
I will defy you!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Micamo » 10 Nov 2014 22:18

Uhh, you sorta can't, because you already made a tricons lang...
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 10 Nov 2014 22:33

Micamo wrote:Uhh, you sorta can't, because you already made a tricons lang...
But I havent made a verbless, nounless or kitchen sink lang, therefore I defy many of your laws!
I will never do those things! Mwuah hah hah!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Creyeditor » 10 Nov 2014 22:48

My tricons-lang used German vocabulary and uncombinable patterns for different categories:
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1a2a32          Present
1a2a1i2u3       Past
1u2u3           Futur
1a2a3           Perfect
1a2u2i3         Conjunctive (used for wishes)
í1a2a3i1        Imperative
í1i1i2i3        Infinitive
1i2ú3           Gerund
1a2i3í1         Participle
1a22i3          Passiv
í1a2i3          Inflective
1i2u3a          Singular
1u2a3           Plural
í1u2i3	       Inclusive (1. Person)
á1u2i3          Exclusive (2.+3.Person)
1á22a2i3        Narrative (indirect speech)
ú12a2i3         Optative (guess, possibility)
12u2i3          Gnomic
1áu2a2i3        causative
í12a12i3        Intensive/frequentative
1í2a3i2         Reflexive
u12u3           common gender
1ai2u3          neuter
1ú2a2i3         Locative
1ú2a3i1         Vocative
1á2a2i3         Possessive
á1a2i3          Ablative/Genitive
á1ua2i3         Equative
í1u2a1a3        Instrumental
1ú2i1a1i3       Nominative
1a2i3           Dative
á11u2a3i2       Accusative
a12a32a         Abstract
1i2a2i3         Negative

e.g. h-r-n : to hear
haranr          hear
harahirun       heard
hurun           will hear
haran           to have heard
harurin         wish to hear
íharanih        Hear!
íhihirin        to hear
hirún           hearing
hariníh         heard
harrin          to be heard
íharin          hear
hiruna          I/you/he/she/it hear(s)
huran           we/you/they hear
íhurin	       I/we hear
áhurin          You/he/she/it/you/they hear
hárrarin        s.o. said ... hear
úhrarin         hear maybe
hrurin          hear
háurarin        to make someone hear, to order
íhrahrin        to listen
híranir         to hear oneself
hirarin         to not hear
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Post by Micamo » 10 Nov 2014 23:22

Ahzoh wrote:
Micamo wrote:Uhh, you sorta can't, because you already made a tricons lang...
But I havent made a verbless, nounless or kitchen sink lang, therefore I defy many of your laws!
I will never do those things! Mwuah hah hah!
Micamo's Second Law only concerns tricons langs.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Fanael » 10 Nov 2014 23:53

Micamo wrote:
XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language
It's no myth! It's Micamo's Second Law of Conlanging, and it's even more ironclad than the second law of thermodynamics!
I haven't made no trincons conlang and I have no desire to make one. Sorry.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by quadrilabial » 11 Nov 2014 00:11

Micamo wrote:
XXXVII wrote:There's sort of a myth, or commonly held belief that at some point in their conlanging career a conlanger will make: a triconsonantal root language
It's no myth! It's Micamo's Second Law of Conlanging, and it's even more ironclad than the second law of thermodynamics!
is this a matter of intent? because it's entirely possible at this rate that I will never make a lang in the telic sense, but I have certainly made a phonology sketch that was supposed to be a tricon lang eventually
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Post by Micamo » 11 Nov 2014 00:13

Yes.
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Wrote letters (well, e-mails) to Laura Ann Buszard-Welcher and to Steven Pinker.

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Post by felipesnark » 11 Nov 2014 00:46

I have decided on Shonkasika's template of verb morphemes:

STEM + causative + voice + aspect + tense/mood + person/number.

To make things a little less 'neat', I have suffixes of different sizes (one or two syllables) and have some that begin with vowels to merge with the previous suffix, as all verbal suffixes end in vowels.

I also have (mostly) settled on sandhi rules for when a stem/affix ends in a vowel and the next affix also begins with a vowel.

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Post by Chagen » 11 Nov 2014 19:36

I've started work on describing the native Paz religion/philosophy, Shundara.

It takes some influence from Buddhism as of now--it posits that life is a road which people travel down until they reach warbanā or inner peace. In order to stay on the road however, one must show both ambition, thus going down it faster, but also show balance in their lives, so that they don't fall off. When people die, they reincarnate at their position when they died, thus continuing to go down it; they keep doing this until they reach warbanā. Those higher up in society are closer to the end than those lower in society.

On one hand, this promotes working ones hardest to improve onesself so that you don't fall off the "road". On the other hand, it enforces strict social classes because higher-ups can say "well, we're of a higher class because we're just better and closer to achieving inner peace, and those below us should blame their past lives, not us, for their problems." Are you poor? Shit, it was probably because your past life was a rapist or something, now work extra-hard to catch up, peasant! Do you want to keep your future reincarnations stuck in your miserable situation? Of course you don't. WORK

In theory the road is supposed to get thinner as you go further, so those of a high social class are supposed to show greater moral character, to the point where they actually suffered much greater punishments for breaking the law. In reality...they had distorted that part a bit. It gets a little messy. It's also still in the planning stages, I might change things up as time goes on.

The name comes from the native Pazmat term for it: Ṣundarā Qīdhīyarā, "The Righteous Journey".
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Xing » 11 Nov 2014 22:14

I've started to organise my work on conjunctions and various multi-clause constructions in Waku. Until know, this has been a somewhat scattered and ad-hoc.

When it comes to subordinate clauses, there will often be a choice between balanced and deranked constructions - probably with some slight differences in meaning or pragmatic implications.

Some prepositions might double-serve as conjunctions/subjunctions:

Me kekke a kia ta korotele i ta nguru.
IPFV play ERG 3s SG telephone LOC SG night
He's playing with the telephone in the night.

Me kekke a kia ta korotele i me motamota mana.
IPFV playing ERF 3s SG telephone while IPFV sleep 1p
He's playing with the telephone while we are sleeping.

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Post by Micamo » 12 Nov 2014 04:32

Redid how conditional sentences work in Haneko; I've been unsatisfied with them for a while and I like the new system much better:

ewewa hara moka eneraya, itita
ewe=wa hara moka ene-ra=ya iti-ta
2=ERG man DIST.M see-NMLZ.M.SG=LOC:CONTAINER kill-IMP.VEN
If you see that man, kill him.

Essentially the "if" clause is nominalized the normal way and wrapped in the postposition =ya, which is also the locative classifier for containers. I'm thinking that applying the other locative classifiers implies other relationships between the two clauses, but I'm not sure what they should be. Perhaps the flat surface classifier is used for "because"?
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 12 Nov 2014 05:07

I finally, finally(!), came up with an idea for a new stem for Dánıdoo verbs that I'm satisfied with. It's a frequentative of some sort, and is formed with a kind of reduplication that's looking quite neat. I'm still working on it and I don't have time to post details now, but I'm so happy that I just had to write about it on here! [:D]

And @Micamo: I love the if-sentence above and I have tons of ideas for prepositions you could use. Will post in a few hours if you're interested. [:)]

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Post by Micamo » 12 Nov 2014 05:18

DesEsseintes wrote:And @Micamo: I love the if-sentence above and I have tons of ideas for prepositions you could use. Will post in a few hours if you're interested. [:)]
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