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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Iyionaku » 27 Jul 2017 14:06

Xing wrote:Ko pauku a kia wara. – 'He killed the cat.'
[ko pʲaˈuːku‿a kiːa ɰɑːra]
PFV kill ERG 3s cat

Me pauka a kia wara. – 'He is/was/will be killing the cat.'
[mʲe pʲaˈuːku‿a kiːa ɰɑːra]
IPFV kill ERG 3s cat
Is that an error? The two different verbs, I mean.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 27 Jul 2017 16:39

I'm back to fiddling with Proto-Híí and Híí diachronics. It's not an accomplishment yet, but it might become one?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by lsd » 27 Jul 2017 16:54

wrote a bibliography for my conlang...

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by elemtilas » 28 Jul 2017 01:06

Ahzoh wrote:This is a map showing the expansion of Proto-Haxyakika languages, although I realize it's too widespread for a 2,500 year old family:
Spoiler:
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What do the colours represent? What's the time frame and directions of spread?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Creyeditor » 28 Jul 2017 01:14

Xing wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:Is there a way to access it without registration?
Oh, here is the public link.
I really love that there two words for hamburger and one for icecream on the first page of your dictionary. Every dictionary should start like that.

I started dabbling with a Polyneselang. Nice, but not enough proto-words.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 28 Jul 2017 05:50

elemtilas wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:This is a map showing the expansion of Proto-Haxyakika languages, although I realize it's too widespread for a 2,500 year old family:
Spoiler:
Image
What do the colours represent? What's the time frame and directions of spread?
The colours represent expansion. The time frame being 2,500 years.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Iyionaku » 28 Jul 2017 10:24

I wouldn't say that this is too widespread. Just look at the expansion Indo-European languages had 2,000 years ago (~3,000 years after PIE)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by elemtilas » 28 Jul 2017 12:18

Ahzoh wrote:
elemtilas wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:This is a map showing the expansion of Proto-Haxyakika languages, although I realize it's too widespread for a 2,500 year old family:
Spoiler:
Image
What do the colours represent? What's the time frame and directions of spread?
The colours represent expansion. The time frame being 2,500 years.
Okay. Kinda figured that it represents "expansion"... From where to where? Where's the urheimat? Does it coincide with political expansion?

The fun of unlabelled maps!

And I agree it's not too widespread. After all, IE spread from the Europe-SWAsia-India region to world dominance inside of 500 years.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lambuzhao » 28 Jul 2017 13:39

In the words of Jar-Jar Binks:
«Deesa mappa needa bombad legend or key . ¿Okee-day? »

Sorry. Recently watched the Phantom Menace on my Soul.

At my dawingswalke
Neic saw ne twa corbie
Bouten saw I þreo herten:
an steg, an do, ece an foun.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lambuzhao » 28 Jul 2017 13:51

cedh wrote:I have just posted a major update to my latest language O Ayōndui. The syntax section is still missing, but the rest should be fairly solid now. Highlights include:

- The negative past tense auxiliary is sūshi. :mrgreen:
- There are a couple of relational pseudo-cases, which look very much like true cases, except that they actually function as derivational verbalizers.
- The grammar sketch contains a wealth of derivational morphology, roughly 40 morphemes so far.
- There is a closed set of only 21 lexical adjectives.
- The lexicon is now online, currently standing at 581 words.
- The language has gained a fairly complex possessive system, which I have not described yet, but it consists of the following elements: (a) possessive pronouns, used whenever the possessor is expressed as a pronoun; (b) a construct state suffix (the reflex of an earlier genitive preposition), used with inalienable relationships where the possessor is a full noun phrase; and (c) several different pseudo-case endings with primarily locative meaning, which also function as quasi-genitives but distinguish the type of possessive relation. (b) and (c) may also co-occur (and must even do so in specific situations). Stay tuned for this...
- The language will also have overdeclension (aka surdéclinaison) à la Basque, where an inflected word can be used as a base for further derivation. This is also not written up yet, but it will allow for things like this:

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zēhēmeffasshimakkani
zēhēmi-h  -h  -a   -h  -shim-a   -h  -kan-i
torch -DEF-COM-NMLZ-DEF-ESS -NMLZ-DEF-BEN-ATTR
‘for the one who acts as if he carried the torch’
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Also, in addition to Basque, Etruscan also made use of surdéclinaison (a.k.a. Etruscan Agglutination). There's a second possible source to mine for ideas.

Keep carrying the torch!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 28 Jul 2017 19:09

I did a little writeup about things I'm reworking in Híí diachronics.

The evolution of Proto-Híí to Híí has seen some interesting mergers due to extensive lenition. Here are some:

Proto-Híí *k lenited universally to in Old Híí. This approximant merged into any adjacent resonant, but otherwise went on to merge with *ŋ *l in intervocalic position as . This would then become modern Híí /w/ while coda *l survives as [l] before a consonant in some environments.

Proto-Híí *p lenited to *v in intervocalic position (but not initially or in clusters, unlike *k), which merged with *w after the first vowel shift (therefore *ew *ev → *ow *ew). *w later merged with *y (before *a *ɣ → o w).

*y went on to cause widespread assibilation before eliding or becoming /r/.

Btw, *y is /j/, in case that isn't clear.

Another accomplishment today was this idea for the Proto-Plains language.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 28 Jul 2017 19:49

elemtilas wrote:Okay. Kinda figured that it represents "expansion"... From where to where? Where's the urheimat? Does it coincide with political expansion?

The fun of unlabelled maps!

And I agree it's not too widespread. After all, IE spread from the Europe-SWAsia-India region to world dominance inside of 500 years.
The purple represents the Urheimat. That's where the Haxyakikan languages originate from; that little peninsula. I followed the colour scheme of this map:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1378932/thumb ... cebook.jpg

It just looks like it's spanning the area of 4 or more Russias.

Relatedly, I don't know how to measure surface area on my map.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by elemtilas » 28 Jul 2017 20:31

Ahzoh wrote:
elemtilas wrote:Okay. Kinda figured that it represents "expansion"... From where to where? Where's the urheimat? Does it coincide with political expansion?

The fun of unlabelled maps!

And I agree it's not too widespread. After all, IE spread from the Europe-SWAsia-India region to world dominance inside of 500 years.
The purple represents the Urheimat. That's where the Haxyakikan languages originate from; that little peninsula. I followed the colour scheme of this map:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1378932/thumb ... cebook.jpg

It just looks like it's spanning the area of 4 or more Russias.

Relatedly, I don't know how to measure surface area on my map.
Four Russias! Wow!

[xD]

So, roughly purple --> dark orange --> light orange?

As for finding the surface area, you'd need a planimeter. High quality devices are expensive, but there are digital planimeters available relatively cheap. There are also downloads available that you might be able to use with your map image, given that you know the dimensions of your planet and how much of that is taken up by your map.

Alternatively, you could estimate by making a proper grid for the map, determining the grid area for all given latitudes and estimating for regions of sea / land and doing the maths manually. [O.O] You could also make a rough estimation of percentage of whole map taken up by water and subtracting that from the whole.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 28 Jul 2017 20:48

Actually, it's more the entirety of North America and the bottom of Africa.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by elemtilas » 29 Jul 2017 01:22

Ahzoh wrote:Actually, it's more the entirety of North America and the bottom of Africa.
That actually makes things simpler: just sum up the land areas of the African countries involved and add that to the total land area of NA!

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by MrKrov » 29 Jul 2017 03:57

Per usual, I mostly did lexical work, but unusually was rather productive at it. Came up with a rendaku-like process, threw in some derivational affixes, a few easter eggs, predicate syntax. Kinda not today but complementizer syntax was also worked on.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by WeepingElf » 29 Jul 2017 21:30

Finished the basics of Proto-Hesperic morphology. Of course, this is still a draft and may be revised later.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lambuzhao » 30 Jul 2017 04:59

WeepingElf wrote:Finished the basics of Proto-Hesperic morphology. Of course, this is still a draft and may be revised later.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Void » 30 Jul 2017 15:19

I've begun working on a Hieratic conlang for my conworld. I actually decided to work on a proto-lexicon simultaneously, and I've gotten some great results and interesting etymologies.

For example, consider these words:

darváz [ˈdɑrʋɑ:s] - silver (from Old Yrmir *darvāzë)
darvázak [ˈdɑrʋɑ:zɑk] - ring (from Old Yrmir *darvāzkë, reanalysed as darváz "silver" + -k nominalising suffix)
darvár [ˈdɑrʋɑːr] - chainmail, armour (from Old Yrmir *darvārë (< PY *darwārų from *darwā "ring?" + *-rų unknown suffix))
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lambuzhao » 30 Jul 2017 15:50

Konungr wrote:Hieratic conlang
Do you mean by that name some sort of holy/priestly/religious tongue?
Interesting!
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