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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 18 Sep 2017 01:11

Proto-Haxyakika allows a complex arrangement between tonic vowels and atonic vowels and between short vowels and long vowels within a syllable nucleus (however the constituent vowels do not behave quite like diphthongs). The descendant Himoshika simplifies this arrangement to just between long vowels and short vowels within a syllable nucleus. Takshian just eliminates the arangement altogether through length-weighted elision leaving just either short vowels or long vowels within a syllable nucleus (sister languages undergo vowel coalescence instead).
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V₁V́₂
V₁V̄₂
V₁V̄̀₂
V₁V̄́₂
V́₁V₂
V́₁V̄₂ (e.g. méōxē "terror")
V̀₁V₂
V̀₁V̄₂
V̄₁V₂
V̄₁V́₂
V̄₁V̀₂
V̄₁V̄₂
V̄₁V̄́₂
V̄₁V̄̀₂
V̄́₁V₂ (e.g. ǧī́ak "my, mine")
V̄́₁V̄₂ (e.g. vū́ā "cane")
V̄̀₁V₂
V̄̀₁V̄₂

Himoshika
V₁V₂
V₁V̄₂
V̄₁V₂
V̄₁V̄₂

Takshayka
V₁V₂ > V₁
V₁V̄₂ > V̄₂
V̄₁V₂ > V̄₁
V̄₁V̄₂ > V̄₂
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 18 Sep 2017 03:30

Ahzoh wrote:
DesEsseintes wrote:
Ahzoh wrote:Decided that my conplanet Sedi would have a surviving species of pterosaur very much like a Quetzalcoatlus.
Vrkhazhians would call them meḵiṉsi "world terror" because they're large and terrifying and can basically travel the entire planet really fast.
Heh, I've for a long time pondered whether to have enormous feathered wyverns in my conworld. On the one hand, who wouldn't want enormous feathered wyverns!? On the other hand, I don't really want to introduce too many fantasy elements, so for now at least, wyverns are not canon.
It isn't fantasy when it's existed before.
Just for the record, since an interesting discussion on what falls under fantasy and what doesn't ensued, I was only referring to the possible wyverns in my setting as "fantasy". I wasn't really talking about your pterosaurs, Ahzoh. However, if I come across humans and pterosaurs prancing around on the same planet in a work of fiction, I would definitely assume said work was going in a fantasy/sci-fi/"lost world" direction. What exact genre I eventually assign to it (personally) would depend on the preponderance of other elements, like elves, robots, and cannibalistic tribes of Neanderthals.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 18 Sep 2017 05:29

(As an aside, I hate being the last post on a <previous> page... YES, I know I sound like I am attention-seeking, or something.)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by qwed117 » 18 Sep 2017 05:59

Thrice Xandvii wrote:(As an aside, I hate being the last post on a <previous> page... YES, I know I sound like I am attention-seeking, or something.)
I think the numbers are very pretty. I'm making a hangul like system, and I'm taking a good deal of inspirating from you.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » 18 Sep 2017 07:13

Thrice Xandvii wrote:(As an aside, I hate being the last post on a <previous> page... YES, I know I sound like I am attention-seeking, or something.)
So a lot of people don't read the last posts on a previous page once a new page has been started? Is that why Rodiniye at first didn't respond to my post at
http://cbb.aveneca.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 75#p263975 ?
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Parlox » 18 Sep 2017 08:47

I've been working on a new conworld, Sorpear. Some of the neatest aspects of it (in my opinion), are it is tidally locked, the oceans on the dark side are inhabited with bioluminescent bacteria. Its most populous intelligent species are the Oavays (Small colorful turtles).
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 18 Sep 2017 08:57

qwed117 wrote:I think the numbers are very pretty.
Thanks for saying so!
I'm making a hangul like system, and I'm taking a good deal of inspirating from you.
Well, thanks again! Do you mean my language Shitëel? That one uses a very Hangul aesthetic to its letters. Also, I'm glad to inspirate folks 'round these parts. ( [xP] )
Khemehekis wrote:So a lot of people don't read the last posts on a previous page once a new page has been started? Is that why Rodiniye at first didn't respond to my post at
http://cbb.aveneca.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 75#p263975 ?
I mean, I can't know that for sure... but it is indeed possible. It seems to be a known thing that popular threads on forums often have folks sail right on to the newest page when they check on a thread without realizing that the previous post or two on the bottom of the previous page were never seen. I don't think it's something that happens on purpose, but just seems to be the case of forums in general. I know the same problem existed on an MMORPG's forum that I used to frequent. I think it's just a case where someone goes "oh, now this thread goes to page 14, last time I was here, it was only 13 and pretty long, betcha the newest stuff is on 14" and just not see that they did indeed miss a couple things on the tail end of the previous page. *shrug* I'll get over it. [:)]
Parlox wrote:I've been working on a new conworld, Sorpear. Some of the neatest aspects of it (in my opinion), are it is tidally locked, the oceans on the dark side are inhabited with bioluminescent bacteria. Its most populous intelligent species are the Oavays (Small colorful turtles).
Sounds intriguing. If I remember correctly, tidally-locked worlds will tend to have a super cold side, and a nigh-unberably hot side (dependent on distance from the sun). Does that mean your turtle-folk inhabit the region around the periphery of the hot-side? (Also, how do you pronounce the name? Like the fruit: Soar-pear; or like a fellow who is of the same rank/status as you: Soar-peer? (Or some other way?)
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Post by Keenir » 18 Sep 2017 17:12

MrKrov wrote:No, of course it is. That pterosaurs ever existed is not fantasy, but modern-day pterosaurs exist only in your head and are not real and hence are fantasy.
MrKrov wrote:Keenir:

I'm confused. Which part did you not get? The part that previously existing things were not fantasy or the part where formerly existing things having modern day continuation (only in your head) is only pretend fantasy fiction? If the latter: show me the pterosaur!
Its just curious where you seem to draw the line denoting fantasy -- not at the periodic invasions of that world by enemies from another dimension (and i have vague memories of discussions about magic on that world), but the addition of one critter that looks like a big pterosaur.

If Ahzoh's fictional works are fantasy because its being made up...we make up conlangs, ergo the analogy i made with what i saw of your logic there.
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Post by shimobaatar » 18 Sep 2017 17:16

Keenir wrote: Its just curious where you seem to draw the line denoting fantasy -- not at the periodic invasions of that world by enemies from another dimension (and i have vague memories of discussions about magic on that world), but the addition of one critter that looks like a big pterosaur.
Who said MrKrov wouldn't have classified Ahzoh's conworld as a fantasy setting before now?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Parlox » 18 Sep 2017 18:16

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Sounds intriguing. If I remember correctly, tidally-locked worlds will tend to have a super cold side, and a nigh-unberably hot side (dependent on distance from the sun). Does that mean your turtle-folk inhabit the region around the periphery of the hot-side? (Also, how do you pronounce the name? Like the fruit: Soar-pear; or like a fellow who is of the same rank/status as you: Soar-peer? (Or some other way?)
My turtle creatures inhabit the cold side (It has similar temperatures to earth). Sorpear is pronounced "Soɹpiɹ".
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 18 Sep 2017 19:13

(Forgive my lack of IPA just then, I was being overly lazy.)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by MrKrov » 18 Sep 2017 19:16

Keenir wrote:
MrKrov wrote:No, of course it is. That pterosaurs ever existed is not fantasy, but modern-day pterosaurs exist only in your head and are not real and hence are fantasy.
MrKrov wrote:Keenir:

I'm confused. Which part did you not get? The part that previously existing things were not fantasy or the part where formerly existing things having modern day continuation (only in your head) is only pretend fantasy fiction? If the latter: show me the pterosaur!
Its just curious where you seem to draw the line denoting fantasy -- not at the periodic invasions of that world by enemies from another dimension (and i have vague memories of discussions about magic on that world), but the addition of one critter that looks like a big pterosaur.

If Ahzoh's fictional works are fantasy because its being made up...we make up conlangs, ergo the analogy i made with what i saw of your logic there.
Before I go, the only fictional part of a conlang can be the setting it is alleged to be in or that it hasn't been made yet.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 18 Sep 2017 22:03

MrKrov, what you call fantasy I'm calling fiction, in the same vein that historical fiction exists and historical fantasy exists.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by loglorn » 19 Sep 2017 02:31

For me, fiction is something that is not real. Fantasy is a subset of fiction that markedly could not be real, at least according to our current understanding of how the universe works. Alt-hists are definitely not fantasy in my opinion, unless their point of divergence is the existence or advent of something that is, as i said above, markedly impossible.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by sangi39 » 19 Sep 2017 03:15

I'd kind of agree with Ahzoh on this, but I'm also kind of with Krov as well. "Fiction" certainly covers everything conworld and conlang related, but "fantasy" has more of a tinge of imagination and non-realism to it, especially magic and the supernatural.

For example, pterosaurs obviously aren't fictional in that they did once exist. Ents, on the other hand, certainly don't exist within the real world, and are thus completely imaginary. Ents aren't just fictional, they're entirely fantastical. But pterosaurs in the modern world? Well, neither pterosaurs nor the modern world, in isolation are fictional, but the two combined? Well that's clearly a work fiction. But to what degree? Explaining that situation clearly involves a level of imagination, but so does all fiction.

The line between fantasy and fiction is somewhat more blurry than the current discussion might suggest. Obviously we have science fiction, and there's even science fantasy, and of course there's fantasy that has little to no bearing at all in the real world.

Pterosaurs in the modern world is just "Jurassic Park" if you use cloning, and that's just science fiction.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by sangi39 » 19 Sep 2017 03:17

On a different note, MrKrov has been issued a formal warning for his behaviour earlier in this thread after two reports were made by two separate users. I hope we can all agree that such behaviour is out of place on this board and that further incidences will be rare [:)]
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Post by sangi39 » 19 Sep 2017 03:22

sangi39 wrote:On a different note, MrKrov has been issued a formal warning for his behaviour earlier in this thread after two reports were made by two separate users. I hope we can all agree that such behaviour is out of place on this board and that further incidences will be rare [:)]
(if anyone wishes to discuss this, please PM me. I'd rather not bring further public discussion of this to the board)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Keenir » 19 Sep 2017 04:34

shimobaatar wrote:
Keenir wrote: Its just curious where you seem to draw the line denoting fantasy -- not at the periodic invasions of that world by enemies from another dimension (and i have vague memories of discussions about magic on that world), but the addition of one critter that looks like a big pterosaur.
Who said MrKrov wouldn't have classified Ahzoh's conworld as a fantasy setting before now?
I confess I drew that assumption based on the absence of words like "still a" or "even more of a" before the word fantasy. As I type this, I realize those could simply have been pro-drop in MrKrov's dialect or ideolect.
my apologies for the assuming.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by MrKrov » 19 Sep 2017 04:35

Astoundingly I'll still do it again to the next dim who earns it.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by sangi39 » 19 Sep 2017 05:03

MrKrov wrote:Astoundingly I'll still do it again to the next dim who earns it.
And of course you are fully within your rights to do so, but actions have consequences.

Note, however, that I did suggest any further discussion of this me brought to the attention of moderators by means of private messages.
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