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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 11 Nov 2017 17:31

Hahahaha!

Yeah, random is indeed random. I've been using the Zompist WordGen recently and I like it a lot. I had to use about a dozen patterns in order to cover all the possible syllable shapes. And still, occasionally I get a weird bug with an impossible syllable. I should track it down and fix it, but I can't say I am too worried about it. I just ignore those.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by OTʜᴇB » 11 Nov 2017 18:44

This new CBB theme is having an effect on me. It looks so new and nice and clean it made me go back to my Lang8 thread and start working on more things. Once I've finished laying out the grammar, I'll start working through making all my little grammatical words (that will takes some time what with having a small truck-load of aspects and moods and so on - let alone cases). Once that's done, I can start making some words (yep, I'm still terrible at that, but I'm getting there), then I'll finally be able to step into the mystical world of the Translations section of the CBB...
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Frislander » 11 Nov 2017 19:02

So as was indicated by my last Yay or Nay? thread post I have completely overhauled the third Kanan language, now called ‘Aciká [ʔat͡ʃika̤]. Here's a three-way comparison of this language, O Kanã and their sister language, Angwakan. All these sentences translate approximately as I saw the man standing at the big post by the river.

‘Aciká

rexopiko patu kyrúká so roka póku‘a waky á.
[ɾɛxɔpikɔ patu kɨrṳka̤ sɔ ɾɔka pɔ̤kuʔa wakɨ a̤]
ra-ex-o-piko patu kyrú-ká so roka póku-‘a waky á
1-PRF-AFF-see man stand-ANI LOC post big-LONG be.near river

O Kanã

‘aisokede ‘a kea ‘aporõ te ‘a saki ‘awẽko kã‘ẽ‘ã o ngãga.
[ʔaɪ̯so↓keⁿde ʔa ke̯a ʔapo↓ɽõ te ʔa sa↓ki ʔawẽ↓ko kã↓ʔẽʔã o ŋã↓ⁿga]
‘a-<is>oke-de ‘a kea ‘a-porõ te ‘a saki ‘a-wẽko kã‘ẽ-‘a o ngãga
M-<PRF>see-1.ERG M.SPE person M-stand LOC M.SPE straight M-big be.near-M.ERG N.SPE river

Angwakan

dawsika bibor bikor ta asik amok ak‘a angay.
[daʊ̯sika biboɾ bikoɾ ta asik amok akʔa aŋaɪ̯]
da-<s>wika bi-bor bi-kor ta a-sik a-mok a-k‘a a-ngay
1-<PRF>see ANI-man ANI-stand LOC INA-post INA-big INA-be.near INA-river

The main differences between the languages to note:
  • The perfective is realised as an infix in O Kanã and Angwakan but as a prefix in ‘Aciká
  • The gender system is masculine/non-masculine in OK, animate/inanimate in Ang and ‘A lacks a gender system, instead having a shape-classification system found on adjectives, numerals and some verbs
  • Similarly, OK has a determiner system consisting of particles, Ang has noun-class prefixes and ‘A lacks any such word-class

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Void » 11 Nov 2017 23:11

Translated the first page of Thus Spake Zarathustra into Symiric. If anyone's curious as to how it looks (no gloss or IPA because it's just too much):

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Vaghol jus Zarathuštra - Atthúl

Mét siduh Zarathuštrasud marás kurgot, rainaikal öldjeben ja öldjen uzirban, ja aikal galadattul. Kar úlpihal menhejenél ja erksôljenél, ja de éredhel hursurjan sangoroš. Ó világihukol zamorja baighunor ja sümböjörs erke rítû jagánnál ithünnél, jömöl múghun athar ja vaghol irdül jus: Odh arjun sahul! Saun žaghzulak, mér de medhet zalsud ambarat, ithil kattúm? Imluk hursurjan sangoroš ezdür megghöridül: éredhingek thürren ja urtohlan, de mezlen rún, ja rújot mešer ja ahsun. Ó zédhlen zalban katrú rítû, vašlin zalban amplúdúkis, ja ághingalun zalas sesüd. Uksunak. Éredhür orssularban, gaddhor péhmür thól vogh tasran; thurbar kájais alhursungukis gadhulsud. Aldaralgur ja rankodungulgur duhúm dirhizmit úzor orsot ambarjat hórol úlpas dürvihûiter, ja morgot burhámjaitar. Ezzüd rúlam nidhaikul dúhtul: zalmur kíghuno, katruduh aikathuk úlur rüsér, ja thürüngüthük angaghkandas, odh kaunata sahul! Zalmur rúlam nidhaikul, vómurs vaghak ambaratta, nidhaikamur sittür. Ághinganuk rús káh, odh rámsal té, atatthor téhül eč arjundur žaghdúm iržûben! Ághinganuk börgös kurm amplúdal, plúdulgat seren nahar kaira, ja zôhülüg mégerdül žaghzulakin ruhtéhû! Uksunak. Tühjüngümmeg úzor ez börög ja sum úzor Zarathuštra pére. Öglöl jus Zarathuštran nidhákus.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Evynova » 11 Nov 2017 23:19

I edited what I had posted about Soo ta Aangii. I had made some changes in the phonology and grammar, but never got around to updating the thread; until now.
Void wrote:
11 Nov 2017 23:11
Translated the first page of Thus Spake Zarathustra into Symiric. If anyone's curious as to how it looks (no gloss or IPA because it's just too much):
Spoiler:
Vaghol jus Zarathuštra - Atthúl

Mét siduh Zarathuštrasud marás kurgot, rainaikal öldjeben ja öldjen uzirban, ja aikal galadattul. Kar úlpihal menhejenél ja erksôljenél, ja de éredhel hursurjan sangoroš. Ó világihukol zamorja baighunor ja sümböjörs erke rítû jagánnál ithünnél, jömöl múghun athar ja vaghol irdül jus: Odh arjun sahul! Saun žaghzulak, mér de medhet zalsud ambarat, ithil kattúm? Imluk hursurjan sangoroš ezdür megghöridül: éredhingek thürren ja urtohlan, de mezlen rún, ja rújot mešer ja ahsun. Ó zédhlen zalban katrú rítû, vašlin zalban amplúdúkis, ja ághingalun zalas sesüd. Uksunak. Éredhür orssularban, gaddhor péhmür thól vogh tasran; thurbar kájais alhursungukis gadhulsud. Aldaralgur ja rankodungulgur duhúm dirhizmit úzor orsot ambarjat hórol úlpas dürvihûiter, ja morgot burhámjaitar. Ezzüd rúlam nidhaikul dúhtul: zalmur kíghuno, katruduh aikathuk úlur rüsér, ja thürüngüthük angaghkandas, odh kaunata sahul! Zalmur rúlam nidhaikul, vómurs vaghak ambaratta, nidhaikamur sittür. Ághinganuk rús káh, odh rámsal té, atatthor téhül eč arjundur žaghdúm iržûben! Ághinganuk börgös kurm amplúdal, plúdulgat seren nahar kaira, ja zôhülüg mégerdül žaghzulakin ruhtéhû! Uksunak. Tühjüngümmeg úzor ez börög ja sum úzor Zarathuštra pére. Öglöl jus Zarathuštran nidhákus.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by eldin raigmore » 12 Nov 2017 05:09

Thrice Xandvii wrote:
06 Nov 2017 05:09
You're only 37 -- always have been, always will be [...]
Believe it or not, I actually haven't reached that age quite yet.
But you've been XXXVII as long as I've known you! ... ?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 12 Nov 2017 07:03

I came up with a Vrkhazhian equivalent to "what the fuck"

ʾAṟni* lit dilan ya?!
"a scorpion is in some sandals?!"

*This word for scorpion in particular is a strong pejoritive. Kinda like calling something a stronger version of "scum".
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 12 Nov 2017 10:53

The latest version of my conplanet Sedi:
https://imgur.com/PXilPOL
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by gestaltist » 12 Nov 2017 20:14

Ahzoh wrote:
12 Nov 2017 10:53
The latest version of my conplanet Sedi:
https://imgur.com/PXilPOL
Very nice.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by qwed117 » 13 Nov 2017 04:30

I decided to independently work on a Hlailang, and then make some Sawndip-like characters.

So far I got to the "base" of the Hlailang, and I know roughly what the Hlailang's history is like.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 13 Nov 2017 05:36

*makes grabby hands* I wanna see the script!!
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Post by Yrusia » 13 Nov 2017 07:33

Got around to re-translating some text into an unnamed daughterlang I've been working on, since I realized the (also unnamed) protolang it was originally in wouldn't actually have writing, so translating a letter might not actually work. In the process, I finally got to test out my crazy verb system. Hopefully I'll make a thread about the family at some point so I can show y'all - it's all the result of about 8 auxiliary verbs turned clitics turned affixes, plus the only remnant of the original markings - the progressive, -é (which, thanks to diachronics plus a heaping portion of analogy, usually becomes either -o˥, -i˩˥, or -k in the daughterlang)

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Post by bbbourq » 13 Nov 2017 20:50

After listening to the Conlanger Podcast on Possession, I was able to come up with a better reason to have two different types of genitive case endings: alienable vs. inalienable. Originally I had expressed -tho as an archaic form of the genitive; however, I could not find a suitable/realistic explanation of whence it came.
  • The endonym Lortho is the combination of the deity Lor plus the inalienable genitive -tho. However, over time this became a noun in and of itself, thereby allowing it to take case endings:
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    konphar-in   lortho-me
    speak  -1MSG lortho-ACC
https://lortho.conlang.org

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 14 Nov 2017 10:26

Today I realised that Proto-Plains *q *qw probably weren’t uvular. They may have been pharyngeal approximants /ʕ ʕʷ/, pharyngeal stops /ʡ ʡʷ/, or pharyngealised velar stops /kˤ kʷˤ/, or even all three depending on speaker/dialect/etc.

In the Híí Proper branch of languages, the pharyngeal nature of the phonemes turned into voicing leading to their eventually evolving into /g b/.

A question though: labialised pharyngeal phonemes seem to be rare albeit easy to produce. Does anyone know of a reason why such sounds might be unlikely?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Void » 14 Nov 2017 17:18

Started working on a Symiric language spoken in Armenia and Turkey, splitting up from Old (Common) Symiric (spoken in northeastern Europe) at around the 10th century.

Sample examples:

Symiric: Vársot tülgiret ja ahsunot angaghjat hórol.
[ˈʋaːrso̞t ˈtylgire̞t jɑ ˈaxsuno̞t ˈɑŋɑʁjɑt ˈxo̞ro̞ːl]
fight-3SG.PL crow-PL and snake-PL corpse-GEN.PL between

Highland Symiric: Tüldjiret ja aasǫt warsat pühär ǫgaqhynat.
[ˈtylɟirɛt ja ˈaːsɔ̃t ˈwarsat ˈpyçær ˈɔ̃gaɰɨnat]
crow-PL and snake-PL fight-3SG.PL between corpse-GEN.PL

English: "The crows and ravens wage war betwixt the dead."

I've chosen cognate words on purpose; tülgir and ahsun are poetic words in Symiric; návur and ürjö are the more common variants of "crow" and "snake."
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Creyeditor » 14 Nov 2017 23:26

I did a preliminary family tree for the Northern Languages family in my Conworld. Sorry for not using a spoiler but they don't work for me (yet).

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Davush » 14 Nov 2017 23:46

Creyeditor wrote:
14 Nov 2017 23:26
I did a preliminary family tree for the Northern Languages family in my Conworld. Sorry for not using a spoiler but they don't work for me (yet).
I love language family trees. How many branches have you worked on?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 14 Nov 2017 23:50

Creyeditor wrote:
14 Nov 2017 23:26
I did a preliminary family tree for the Northern Languages family in my Conworld. Sorry for not using a spoiler but they don't work for me (yet).

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Did you make that tree manually?
If so, this might do you better:
https://lautgesetz.com/latreex/
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Post by Fluffy8x » 15 Nov 2017 02:49

Today.

I'm still looking for divisions of semantic space that aren't between nouns and verbs. Isoraķatheð had one based on time and space, but I don't want to blatantly rip off that system.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Creyeditor » 15 Nov 2017 10:19

Davush wrote:
14 Nov 2017 23:46
Creyeditor wrote:
14 Nov 2017 23:26
I did a preliminary family tree for the Northern Languages family in my Conworld. Sorry for not using a spoiler but they don't work for me (yet).
I love language family trees. How many branches have you worked on?
I have worked quite a lot on Kobardon and Omlueuet. I have sketches for most other languages on the tree, with the least information about Xulfah, Proto Northern, and the modern Omlueuet Dialects. On CBB I only showed you Omlueuet and its antecessors (predecessor? what's even the difference?). I might add some languages to the tree on some point though.
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14 Nov 2017 23:26
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Did you make that tree manually?
If so, this might do you better:
https://lautgesetz.com/latreex/
I actually used http://mshang.ca/syntree/, but I was looking for something like what you gave. Thank you [:)]
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